Illinois suburban cops unclear of CCL laws

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chicagotrauma

Discussion Starter · May 28, 2018

Illinois sucks.
Becareful out there because ever since they linked the CCL database with DMVs everytime I've gotten pulled over LEOs have pressed me about whether I'm carrying a firearm.
Illinois is a "no duty to inform" state.
Last night I was pulled over. I was not conceal carrying, so I didn't mention firearms at all.
He asked "is there anything you want to tell me?" He asked 4 times. Finally, I asked him if he was asking me if I had a firearm in the car. He said yes and that I was OBLIGATED to inform him of I had a firearm.
I told him I didn't have a firearm and the state law does not REQUIRE me to offer the information. The law stipulates I need to inform him if he asks me about a firearm directly.
He said I was wrong. I pulled up the law on my POSTED app on my phone and pointed out the appropriate wording.
I told him he needed to read up on the law because he's going to arrest someone who doesn't answer his stupid open ended questions to the satisfaction of his half-baked interpretation of the law ( of course I put it in a much nicer way)
I got the ticket of course...

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BC605

· #2 · May 28, 2018

Yeah, pointing out that they don't know the law isn't going to get you let off with a warning - ever.

Maybe you should have just let him continue operating in ignorance and then when he does arrest someone on false pretenses they can sue him and his department. THAT kind of black eye is a lesson that he would be unlikely to forget.

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Fredward

· #3 · May 28, 2018

Many cops are ignorant of the laws, especially new ones. The most aggressive ones are often the most ignorant. In the early 90's I got stopped and "field interviewed" several times for openly carrying a revolver while walking my dog. Twice they seized my weapon. I ended up having a nice chat with the police cheif's #2, a very nice guy. (The chief was an anti-gun not nice person.) As a result, I became involved in KC3, a concealed carry organization.

chicagotrauma

Discussion Starter · #4 · May 28, 2018

The teaching moment was after the ticket was a certainty.
The cop was nice enough, and I do enough to not seem like a threat ( dome light on, hands on steering wheel, window rolled down), but that "next guy" could be me so I'd rather he knew the law

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Czechbikr

· #5 · May 28, 2018

I can't "like" your post because you ended up getting the ticket. Your post is a good reminder to me to get my documents together in an easily accessible place so that I can retrieve them all and have them on the dash if/when I get pulled over. I was thinking about this just the other day as I almost always have a handgun with me on the road. I shudder when I think of the man, legally carrying in MN, who was killed when the LEO told him to produce his documents. I have already decided to inform regardless of whether I am asked since they already know I'm licensed.

Czechbikr

· #6 · May 28, 2018

chicagotrauma said:
The teaching moment was after the ticket was a certainty.
The cop was nice enough, and I do enough to not seem like a threat ( dome light on, hands on steering wheel, window rolled down), but that "next guy" could be me so I'd rather he knew the law

I would probably drop a line to the Superintendent (if in the city) or to the local Chief to let them know that they need further training. It works both ways...if we need training, so do they.

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Lmstncwby

· #7 · May 28, 2018

One reason I make an effort to go around Illinois whenever possible. Some of the police I have encountered here and in New Mexico are absolutely against citizens being armed while others have scolded me for not being armed when I had a permit to carry. One of the officers opposed to any sort of civilian carry is an acquaintance at church and was almost on the point of a breakdown when we passed open carry. He said there will be "blood running in the streets". I told him that is what was said when we passed concealed carry and nothing happened. It will be the same with open carry. He was wrong but still won't admit it. He claimed that because he was "trained" no one else should carry. I asked him how much he practiced at the range and he said that he didn't have time. I reminded him that his training is a perishable skill. He just laughed it off.

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chicagotrauma

Discussion Starter · #8 · May 28, 2018

Czechbikr said:
I can't "like" your post because you ended up getting the ticket. Your post is a good reminder to me to get my documents together in an easily accessible place so that I can retrieve them all and have them on the dash if/when I get pulled over. I was thinking about this just the other day as I almost always have a handgun with me on the road. I shudder when I think of the man, legally carrying in MN, who was killed when the LEO told him to produce his documents. I have already decided to inform regardless of whether I am asked since they already know I'm licensed.

If I'm carrying, I always inform. Been pulled over twice while carrying. Indiana and South Dakota. Notified both times. Never been pulled over in Illinois while carrying.
Good point about talking to the town chief. I just may do that. First I gotta find out if he or she is a political hack likely to target me or put my name on a list.
Sadly, around here, if you are pro 2nd A the less noise you make the better

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Smokewagon

· #9 · May 28, 2018

Display your license/permit, whether you're carrying or not. Get it out of the way, and on to the matter at hand, which is why you were stopped. When Texas first passed concealed carry, there were uninformed police officers everywhere. The Texas Department of Public Safety was and is, pretty well educated, since they are the issuing authority. New recruits get that training in recruit school.

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Czechbikr

· #10 · May 28, 2018

chicagotrauma said:
If I'm carrying, I always inform. Been pulled over twice while carrying. Indiana and South Dakota. Notified both times. Never been pulled over in Illinois while carrying.
Good point about talking to the town chief. I just may do that. First I gotta find out if he or she is a political hack likely to target me or put my name on a list.
Sadly, around here, if you are pro 2nd A the less noise you make the better

Amen...I have my NRA and ISRA stickers...but they are not posted on my vehicle. The fewer people who know that I carry and own firearms...the happier I am.

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Cariwine

· #11 · May 28, 2018

I've never been pulled over and had to tell cause when I turned 40 I decided I was in it for the long haul and slowed down.

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CJS3

· #12 · Jun 3, 2018

Last time I was pulled over (got a warning) the copper and I talked about CC vs OC. He was a Glock nut and I'm a 1911 guy. I was able to get a laugh out of him while we called each other fanboy names.

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ozzy

· #13 · Jun 3, 2018

Czechbikr said:
Amen...I have my NRA and ISRA stickers...but they are not posted on my vehicle. The fewer people who know that I carry and own firearms...the happier I am.

I used to advertise, I don't anymore cuz I don't want my vehicle trashed from the psycho luney left.

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twolfe55

· #14 · Jun 3, 2018

I will usually inform whether carrying or not. Not required here either the worst was one evening I was on the bike heading to the races and was stopped in Waxahachie on 287 officer said he could not see my inspection sticker I had an OWB thumb break holster on my hip he took my info went to the cruiser and came back and asked are you carrying a firearm. I said yes it is in plain sight on my hip and I handed you my LTC with my drivers license and insurance card. He then said well I just wanted to see if you would answer me. No ticket because display of inspection sticker is no longer required here. Some of the younger officers out there just seem to not have a clue.

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taurustoter

· #15 · Jun 4, 2018

BC605 said:
Yeah, pointing out that they don't know the law isn't going to get you let off with a warning - ever.

Maybe you should have just let him continue operating in ignorance and then when he does arrest someone on false pretenses they can sue him and his department. THAT kind of black eye is a lesson that he would be unlikely to forget.

I was thinking the same thing.

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muddcatt54

· #16 · Jun 7, 2018

The way I was taught at class keep your hands on the wheel and inform the officer that I am carrying first thing because when they run your license it will come back that you have a permit. I'm new crop the world of CC and still trying to figure out the most comfortable way to carry I bought an AZULA IWB for my RIA 9mm and a cheaper IWB leather holster for my CZ. I'm still getting used to the idea of being able to carry a pistol around so I've been carrying it with me everywhere I go to get used to it. I'm going to a Wedding in Georgia later this month my sister lives in Atlanta. All the states between here and there recognize ARKANSAS permit holders in fact ARKANSAS shares with 38 states.
Too bad I won't be there longer I would love to get Olfarhors to take me shooting (if he would)
Sorry for getting off subject

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Czechbikr

· #17 · Jun 7, 2018

muddcatt54 said:
The way I was taught at class keep your hands on the wheel and inform the officer that I am carrying first thing because when they run your license it will come back that you have a permit. I'm new crop the world of CC and still trying to figure out the most comfortable way to carry I bought an AZULA IWB for my RIA 9mm and a cheaper IWB leather holster for my CZ. I'm still getting used to the idea of being able to carry a pistol around so I've been carrying it with me everywhere I go to get used to it. I'm going to a Wedding in Georgia later this month my sister lives in Atlanta. All the states between here and there recognize ARKANSAS permit holders in fact ARKANSAS shares with 38 states.
Too bad I won't be there longer I would love to get Olfarhors to take me shooting (if he would)
Sorry for getting off subject

Shoot him a PM...maybe you can get him off the porch for an hour!

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