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This should probably go in the Political Forum but I don't go there on this site. I prefer to have one place where I don't have to CB Ninja fight and TA is the forum I chose.
Here's the situation.

I'm fighting with a troll over on another site and he brought up LEO shooting accuracy. Now, I know there's been stats released on the subject- along with stats on civilians firing in defense situations. I just can't lay hand on them and I have searched high and low.

Can somebody help a man out?

I'd appreciate it.
 

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These might help:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.d5addfc6ea25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_the_United_States

How Many Americans Do the Cops Kill Each Year?

But if you're looking for info on number of hits per shot fired, there's no tracking of any kind nor is there likely to be. Just like there's no nationwide policy on police firearms training. It's up to whatever the individual department requires. You can find anecdotal evidence of massive shots fired with no one being injured to one-shot gunfights. Anything anyone says is right, and wrong, it just depends on the context.

FWIW, sometimes I comment on a thread here and the general tone of the posts heads in a direction I don't support. I click the "Thread Tools" link and "Unsubscribe". Always keep in mind the saying "Don't wrestle with a pig; you get dirty and he likes it."
 

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These are ALL excellent resources which should bolster your position against the troll referenced.

Cliffs Notes version is that in the “accurate fire index” (number of hits on target divided by all shots fired at target) heavily favors civilians. At he center of the issue is practice. Civilians who carry are doing so willingly and typically visit the range as often as possible, dry fire exercises, etc. LEOs Carry because it is REQUIRED of them; many who aren’t “gun folk” won’t visit the range at all except as required to maintain qualification.
 

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These are ALL excellent resources which should bolster your position against the troll referenced.

Cliffs Notes version is that in the “accurate fire index” (number of hits on target divided by all shots fired at target) heavily favors civilians. At he center of the issue is practice. Civilians who carry are doing so willingly and typically visit the range as often as possible, dry fire exercises, etc. LEOs Carry because it is REQUIRED of them; many who aren’t “gun folk” won’t visit the range at all except as required to maintain qualification.
That point's being made with heavy emphasis that in many dept's it's an annual qualification. If you're lucky, semi annual. The NYPD numbers from Yissnakk show that the cops in NYC really can't hit the broad side of a barn outside bad breath ranges.

Yeah, 12 pound triggers in their glucks has something to do with it but you can learn to shoot that heavy of a trigger pull if you set your mind to it and (gasp!) practice. They were down to under 1 hit per 5 shots at 3-7 yards. Somebody go down to the Salvation Army and buy all of those little pink grip strengtheners and send them to the NYPD. Those folks need to work on some hand and finger strength fast.
 

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I don't shoot every week because I have to.
 

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Practice is the key. Regardless of what cop shows tell us, the LEO's generally hit the range about once a quarter in my area (I know this because that is when a whole bunch of unclaimed brass shows up on the range and if I'm lucky, I'm the guy to find it!) and we're pretty rural. In the larger cities, with huge police forces, too much practice leads to too much ammo cost, ergo, practice every now and then, and qualify annually.

The military only qualifies once a year and we'd actually almost only ever go to the range and practice in conjunction with qualification. (those were the Clinton years...)
 
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Yeah, 12 pound triggers in their glucks has something to do with it but you can learn to shoot that heavy of a trigger pull if you set your mind to it and (gasp!) practice. They were down to under 1 hit per 5 shots at 3-7 yards. Somebody go down to the Salvation Army and buy all of those little pink grip strengtheners and send them to the NYPD. Those folks need to work on some hand and finger strength fast.
Exactly why I drink bottle beer!
between twisting the caps off and doing repetitions of raising the bottle to my lips builds both finger strength and arm /hand strength!----:018:
 

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The range that I frequent have certification for Cops and armed security guards each month, the range is closed on those 4 days .
but a lot of local police show up to practice, some apparently only just before the annual recertification.
I tell you some are truly sad shooters. Now some can shoot lights out, the problem is which shows up at the incident?
The only group that routinely shoot great are 3 Sky Marshalls that occasionally show up there.
My son before he retired was one of the Range instructors with the Sheriffs dept, he said its the same there, some take pride in the job others just ty to slide by.
 
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