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I have an Uberti Cattleman (1873 Colt SAA Peacemaker Clone) that I carry from time to time. I was killing time in a local gunshop recently and one of the guys working there carried his Peacemaker clone and it got me wondering;

How may of yall carry something similar sometimes?

Do I do it often, no, but I do it from time to time when I feel like it.

I just ordered a new rig for it, I'll post photos when it arrives.
 

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Like you, I have my Uberti 1873 clones which I rarely carry. I might carry one when rambling thru the woods; carried one as my hunting sidearm once. I did OC one a couple Halloween’s ago dressed in 1860s - 1870s attire. But, because they’re SAO without safeties, no don’t make it a habit to routinely carry one.
 

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Like you, I have my Uberti 1873 clones which I rarely carry. I might carry one when rambling thru the woods; carried one as my hunting sidearm once. I did OC one a couple Halloween’s ago dressed in 1860s - 1870s attire. But, because they’re SAO without safeties, no don’t make it a habit to routinely carry one.
No safety doesn't bother me much since I carry on an empty chamber when I carry one.

It sounds like we had similar Halloween outfits, I went as the man with no name. :D :D :D
 

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Nope. My single actions are range toys.

Concealed carry is serious and I have several pistols that are far more appropriate for that task.
 

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Why does it have to be serious though? Why can't we have fun with it?

For me, what I carry is very dependent on where I am going to go. What I carry to Dallas for example is much different than what I will carry when I go to grab a gallon of milk at the local grocery store for example.
 
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My HRR .22LR with fake ivory grips is a range toy only. But I have a black leather western rig that I wear when I carry it and DAMN! I look GOOD!!! :cowboy:
The spitting image of Bat Masterson I am sure! :D :D :D :p

The first revolver I shot was a single action .22. They are alot of fun! :D
 
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Why does it have to be serious though? Why can't we have fun with it?

For me, what I carry is very dependent on where I am going to go. What I carry to Dallas for example is much different than what I will carry when I go to grab a gallon of milk at the local grocery store for example.
I don't carry a gun for fun. I carry for one purpose- the protection of me and mine. It doesn't get more serious than that. I'm not relying on 125 year old technology for the safety of me and mine if there are better options readily available.
 

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I don't carry a gun for fun. I carry for one purpose- the protection of me and mine. It doesn't get more serious than that. I'm not relying on 125 year old technology for the safety of me and mine if there are better options readily available.

I know it will surprise most here, but I do take a contrarian view. :D

I see your point, and I don't completely disagree. But my question is why can't it be both?

The way I see it, I am just as accurate and fast with my SAA clone as I am with my 1911 (Which is also over 100 years old, technology wise, and which I carry far far more often). However when you look at it, my Sig P226 is not all that different than my 1911's mechanically. When carrying a firearm we are all mostly relying on variations on a theme that are at least 100 years old when talking semi autos and even older when talking revolvers.

I'd argue the biggest advances have not been so much in design but rather in materials.

I'm not making an argument for what to carry or not to carry, in the end I think everyone has to carry what they feel is best for themselves. I just enjoy the debate and discussing different perspectives.
 
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I just checked my handgun list to see how many I have. The count is 2, a 45 Blackhawk convertible and a super Blackhawk. I didn't count the 2 Contenders as they are single shots not revolvers.
I used to sometimes carry them while hunting decades ago but they are mostly range toys.
 

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Nope. My single actions are range toys.

Concealed carry is serious and I have several pistols that are far more appropriate for that task.
This.

Carrying a concealed weapon, from my perspective, there's too much at stake for 'boutique carry' mentality, or to add it into the mix because you want to have 'fun' with it.

Choosing a concealed weapon because you think it's cool to carry it is putting way too much thought into your hipness and not enough into the purpose.

Not faulting the choice of weapon (I know some CAS shooters who could give most IDPA shooters a run for their money for the first five shots), just perplexed at the expressed rationale.

Of course, in the end you choose what you carry, and as long as you carry it responsibly, more power to ya.
 
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I use to always carry one when hunting, but not necessarily for self defense. It was more in the line of dealing with vermin that I didn't want to waste a rifle round on.

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I know it will surprise most here, but I do take a contrarian view. :D

I see your point, and I don't completely disagree. But my question is why can't it be both?

The way I see it, I am just as accurate and fast with my SAA clone as I am with my 1911 (Which is also over 100 years old, technology wise, and which I carry far far more often). However when you look at it, my Sig P226 is not all that different than my 1911's mechanically. When carrying a firearm we are all mostly relying on variations on a theme that are at least 100 years old when talking semi autos and even older when talking revolvers.

I'd argue the biggest advances have not been so much in design but rather in materials.

I'm not making an argument for what to carry or not to carry, in the end I think everyone has to carry what they feel is best for themselves. I just enjoy the debate and discussing different perspectives.
May I suggest being contrary for a reason rather than out of habit?

And don't get wrapped up in age when it comes to handgun design. There really hasn't been much innovation of design since the passing of John Moses Browning in 1926. The question isn't how old the design is, the question is whether or not the design is obsolete.

My clones are based on a gun that came out in 1873. At the time, the SAA was standard issue in the US Army.

25 years later, the army was issuing a Double Action revolver with a swing out cylinder. The single action revolver with a loading gate was absolete before the start of the last century.

20 years later, the 1911 was general issue.

That's 2 generations past being current technology and we are just up to 1918.

As I said in my first post, my single actions (which I have been shooting competitively since the mid '90's) are range toys- not because I can't shoot them or aren't familiar enough with the or not comfortable with my abilities with them- because I own guns that are better suited to the purpose of self defense.
 

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This.

Carrying a concealed weapon, from my perspective, there's too much at stake for 'boutique carry' mentality, or to add it into the mix because you want to have 'fun' with it.

Choosing a concealed weapon because you think it's cool to carry it is putting way too much thought into your hipness and not enough into the purpose.

Not faulting the choice of weapon (I know some CAS shooters who could give most IDPA shooters a run for their money for the first five shots), just perplexed at the expressed rationale.

Of course, in the end you choose what you carry, and as long as you carry it responsibly, more power to ya.
My rationale is that I think people take carrying way to seriously. I think that the majority of the carry community is too ridged.

Yes its a dangerous weapon, yes you need to handle it with respect.

I'm not talking about "hipness". If anything i strive to not be like other people, I don't want to be cool. (That's one of my big issues with Glocks as one example, they are popular and too many people carry them.) Besides I open carried twice last year and both were with a 1911 so anything I carry is concealed usually.

What I am talking about is essentially, whats wrong with a single action revolver as a carry gun. Some are saying it's not serious enough. I am curious as to why it isn't.

When I say I carry one, I can probably count on both hands the number of times a year I do. The genesis for the thread was a conversation I had with an acquaintance recently and I thought it would be an interesting topic here.
 

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Yup, Sometimes. Got a few nicer rigs but I don't have a current photo.


 

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Cool topic, I'm enjoying it. And if our residential contrarian weren't being contrary, why...that'd be contrary to who and what he is. Wouldn't be right, and we'd worry there's something wrong with him. Some of us are rumored to be a bit fond of him. Mind you, I said "rumored." ;)
 

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May I suggest being contrary for a reason rather than out of habit?

And don't get wrapped up in age when it comes to handgun design. There really hasn't been much innovation of design since the passing of John Moses Browning in 1926. The question isn't how old the design is, the question is whether or not the design is obsolete.

My clones are based on a gun that came out in 1873. At the time, the SAA was standard issue in the US Army.

25 years later, the army was issuing a Double Action revolver with a swing out cylinder. The single action revolver with a loading gate was absolete before the start of the last century.

20 years later, the 1911 was general issue.

That's 2 generations past being current technology and we are just up to 1918.

As I said in my first post, my single actions (which I have been shooting competitively since the mid '90's) are range toys- not because I can't shoot them or aren't familiar enough with the or not comfortable with my abilities with them- because I own guns that are better suited to the purpose of self defense.
I always do it for a reason :D

You bring up a good point. I agree, they are probably obsolete for certain roles, military for example. But what makes them obsolete for carry is the question then?

For example: When I carry my PT740; If I need to shoot it I draw while at the same time my thumb kicks off the safety. The cocking motion on a single action is pretty much the same.

As to rate of fire, I am more in the aimed shot than volume camp. I think there is definitely something to be said for both the ability to have rapid follow up and a more aimed approach. Even when I carry my P226 and practice with it I shoot at about the same rate as I would when I shoot single.

You mentioned a loading gate vs swing out cylinder. Capacity wise I carry my M85UL alot, and she only has 5 rounds as well. I don't usually even carry and spare ammo. If I was going into combat, my choice in sidearm would be different, probably my P226 or a 1911. But I feel fine with 5 shots for anything I might encounter around town.

Truth be told, I rarely carry spare mags or speed strips for any of my firearms. I usually only do when I am going on a longer road or flying trip.

Age alone doesn't make something obsolete, the city of Rome still uses part of a sewer system build thousands of years ago. DC-3's built in the 1930s are still workhorses and making a living.

In reality "what makes them obsolete for carry" is a question with no answer since we all have our own views. It's just fun to banter it around in my opinion. Even I get tired of debating over politics sometimes. :D
 

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This.

Carrying a concealed weapon, from my perspective, there's too much at stake for 'boutique carry' mentality, or to add it into the mix because you want to have 'fun' with it.

Choosing a concealed weapon because you think it's cool to carry it is putting way too much thought into your hipness and not enough into the purpose.

Not faulting the choice of weapon (I know some CAS shooters who could give most IDPA shooters a run for their money for the first five shots), just perplexed at the expressed rationale.

Of course, in the end you choose what you carry, and as long as you carry it responsibly, more power to ya.
I have seen CAS shooters that would smoke the majority of IDPA- and a high percentage of ISPC- shooters for the 1st 5 rounds.

Check Youtube out and watch how quick some of the 2 handers can shoot 5 rounds from a single action. if you wanna get really impressed, figure out the cyclic rate they are generating.

It was vogue back in the late '90's to challenge the local LEO's to a charity shoot with the proceeds going to a local, mutually agreed upon, charity like a women's shelter.

The LEO's used their duty guns and the CAS shooters used our normal match guns. We all shot the same course of fire- usually 4 to 6 stages with a typical CAS style mix of pistol, rifle and shotgun targets (CAS style targets, 16" minimum) set up from 10 or 12 yards out to 50 for the rifles. Basically, it was handled as a CAS match with 2 posses shooting a stage at a time. It's just that one posse was shooting cowboy guns and equipment and the other was using modern guns and their duty rigs.

The only major differences were the LEO's loaded 5 rounds instead of full mags and they reloaded their pistols on the clock (4+1 in the holster with a 5 round reload in the mag on the belt). Long guns were either what they used daily- if frangible rounds could be allocated for their 5.56mm rifles- or a loaner lever action that we supplied to the dept for practice a couple months in advance if the ammunition couldn't be obtained.

We never varied from what the dept policies and procedures were concerning how they handled the long guns. They usually ended up loading their pump or semi auto shotguns full on the clock instead of load 2, shoot 2 like the CAS guys do. In both cases, rifles were staged Condition 3 and the 1st round was chambered immediately prior to being fired.

These shoots were held all over the nation and one thing was consistent. The LEO's lost the 1st match every single time.

Only on a couple occasions did they win the 2nd one. One match in LA (that's Louisiana in this case, not Lower Alabama or Los Angeles), the lost the 3rd one, too, and, when the 4th match came around, the LEO's brought in some ringers from the state SWAT team to help squeak out a narrow victory.
 

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I always do it for a reason :D

You bring up a good point. I agree, they are probably obsolete for certain roles, military for example. But what makes them obsolete for carry is the question then?

For example: When I carry my PT740; If I need to shoot it I draw while at the same time my thumb kicks off the safety. The cocking motion on a single action is pretty much the same.

As to rate of fire, I am more in the aimed shot than volume camp. I think there is definitely something to be said for both the ability to have rapid follow up and a more aimed approach. Even when I carry my P226 and practice with it I shoot at about the same rate as I would when I shoot single.

You mentioned a loading gate vs swing out cylinder. Capacity wise I carry my M85UL alot, and she only has 5 rounds as well. I don't usually even carry and spare ammo. If I was going into combat, my choice in sidearm would be different, probably my P226 or a 1911. But I feel fine with 5 shots for anything I might encounter around town.

Truth be told, I rarely carry spare mags or speed strips for any of my firearms. I usually only do when I am going on a longer road or flying trip.

Age alone doesn't make something obsolete, the city of Rome still uses part of a sewer system build thousands of years ago. DC-3's built in the 1930s are still workhorses and making a living.

In reality "what makes them obsolete for carry" is a question with no answer since we all have our own views. It's just fun to banter it around in my opinion. Even I get tired of debating over politics sometimes. :D
Never said they wouldn't work, just that there are more appropriate choices available.

Folks get beat to death with a rock every year, just like what Cain did to Abel. That don't mean that I'm toting half a brick for self defense.
 
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