High Speed Low Drag - What are your thoughts?

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Pilgrim

Discussion Starter · Feb 16, 2013

Since range time is sparse during the ammo winter, I've been searching YouTube and other places looking for good (free) training material. Some of the most interesting advice I've heard so far has consistently come from Travis Haley, of Haley Strategic. I've seen articles and reviews for some of his "Adaptive" classes, but have always noticed some amount of pushback from people who think so called High Speed Low Drag (HSLD) trainers don't offer anything relevant for the typical shooter. Now, I know that this term HSLD can apply to a variety of people, and that some are obviously better than others. I've even heard someone refer to Travis Haley as a samurai in the firearms world.

What's more interesting to me is the variety of non-traditional training aids they use. From practicing firing from various positions (kneeling, prone, on your back), to using trigger stripe targets, to even using Airsoft replicas of your own firearms as training tools for memorizing your way around your rifle. What interesting bits have you picked up. Heard anything that sounds ridiculous?

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CaptainMorgan

· #2 · Feb 16, 2013

Interesting, I haven't done anything or any research on it. I have just practiced with a bb gun in the garage for shooting practice, I have been looking into finding an airsoft to use for indoor training.

I was thinking of using it to practice for night time break in. Have wife hang target somewhere and I get up work through house with light and airsoft gun and see what happens.

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Wingshot

· #3 · Feb 16, 2013 (Edited)

I've recently discovered Bullseye shooting, (indoor,.22 for now) I was referred by a TA member to "The Encyclopedia of Bullseye" site and their forum. One handed pistol shooting is a Zen like sport that can screw with your head like no other shooting game I've ever been a part of. There are some champion shooters, past and present offering up advice to novices to the sport like myself and get really in depth with the "getting your mind right" type of instruction. I find myself reading into the wee hours of the morning and then doing the exercises they suggest with amazing results. Some of these folks were in their prime in 1960's and God Bless them for wanting to share the wealth of knowledge they have buried away in those memory banks. I've rediscovered rimfire nirvana and at the same time, getting good at something I've always struggled with, pistol shooting. Thanks AndyD for turning me onto this resource! (Edit) I can appreciate your excitement with the you tube instruction, I too have done mock drills clearing my home. I personally prefer the carbine to a handgun but I am most comfortable with the platform.

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Wingshot

· #4 · Feb 16, 2013

Btw, I have not heard the phrase HSLD since my boss retired. He was a good 'ole boy from WV and had a lot of phrases that used to make the stuffed shirts upstairs roll their eyes. It was from him that I learned the phrase, "it's raining harder than a tall cow pissing on a flat rock". I smile every time it rains hard.

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Pilgrim

Discussion Starter · #5 · Feb 16, 2013

CaptainMorgan said:
Interesting, I haven't done anything or any research on it. I have just practiced with a bb gun in the garage for shooting practice, I have been looking into finding an airsoft to use for indoor training.

I was thinking of using it to practice for night time break in. Have wife hang target somewhere and I get up work through house with light and airsoft gun and see what happens.

This reminds me of one of the tidbits I've heard from one trainer who had several decades (maybe 40) of experience in LE. He had a beef with using "tactical" flashlights. He said if there's ever a bump in the night and you go searching the house, gun in hand, the LAST thing you want to do is give the intruder, who more than likely is hiding in the dark, your position by sweeping a beam of light around. Now obviously, this works if you have a high lumen (200+ lumens) light and you spot the intruder AND blind him AND are able to pull off a shot before he can shoot at you. While he didn't completely discredit the use for a small high output light, he did say more often than not, it's easier to stay behind cover and swing your arm around the corner/doorframe to turn on the main light. This levels the playing field a bit more.

I still use my flashlight at night, but for situations that are more like "what was that noise outside?" We had several weeks where we heard shots fired at night within 100 yards of our home (we live more rural). I would advise my wife not to turn on any lights (so we don't stick out), and I'd use the flashlight to illuminate my path through the living room to see out the window (gun in hand, of course).

As for Airsoft, I think it's a great training tool for repetitions and building discipline. When I was serious into Airsoft back in my college days, we'd spend over a thousand dollars on a full setup. The handgun I bought was an exact replica of a 1911 with a rail. Worked just like the real thing. Used a gas blow-back system to fire the BB, rack the slide back, and chamber the next BB. The slide would lock back once the magazine was empty. I actually learned how to quickly reload a pistol during a shoot out that way.

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Stengun

· #6 · Feb 16, 2013

Howdy,

Pilgrim said:
This reminds me of one of the tidbits I've heard from one trainer who had several decades (maybe 40) of experience in LE. He had a beef with using "tactical" flashlights. He said if there's ever a bump in the night and you go searching the house, gun in hand, the LAST thing you want to do is give the intruder, who more than likely is hiding in the dark, your position by sweeping a beam of light around. Now obviously, this works if you have a high lumen (200+ lumens) light and you spot the intruder AND blind him AND are able to pull off a shot before he can shoot at you. While he didn't completely discredit the use for a small high output light, he did say more often than not, it's easier to stay behind cover and swing your arm around the corner/doorframe to turn on the main light. This levels the playing field a bit more.

I still use my flashlight at night, but for situations that are more like "what was that noise outside?" We had several weeks where we heard shots fired at night within 100 yards of our home (we live more rural). I would advise my wife not to turn on any lights (so we don't stick out), and I'd use the flashlight to illuminate my path through the living room to see out the window (gun in hand, of course).

As for Airsoft, I think it's a great training tool for repetitions and building discipline. When I was serious into Airsoft back in my college days, we'd spend over a thousand dollars on a full setup. The handgun I bought was an exact replica of a 1911 with a rail. Worked just like the real thing. Used a gas blow-back system to fire the BB, rack the slide back, and chamber the next BB. The slide would lock back once the magazine was empty. I actually learned how to quickly reload a pistol during a shoot out that way.

I love the "flashlight on a handgun".

Most people are right handed.

Right handed people hold their "flashlight on a handgun" in their right hand.

Aim slightly to the lft of the "flashlight on a handgun", fire 3 rounds and its "Miller Time"!!!!!!

Paul

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airwrench

· #7 · Feb 16, 2013

Stengun said:
Howdy,

I love the "flashlight on a handgun".

Most people are right handed.

Right handed people hold their "flashlight on a handgun" in their right hand.

Aim slightly to the lft of the "flashlight on a handgun", fire 3 rounds and its "Miller Time"!!!!!!

Paul

Actually if you are facing a right handed shooter his right hand is on your left. So it would be Miller time
for the right handed guy with a flashlight on his gun.

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Pilgrim

Discussion Starter · #8 · Feb 16, 2013

airwrench said:
Actually if you are facing a right handed shooter his right hand is on your left. So it would be Miller time
for the right handed guy with a flashlight on his gun.

But! If your shooter is right-handed, but left-eye dominant, placing the shots just slightly to the right would cause you to miss. Unless the shooter is left-handed and right-eye dominant, in which case....

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airwrench

· #9 · Feb 16, 2013

Pilgrim said:
But! If your shooter is right-handed, but left-eye dominant, placing the shots just slightly to the right would cause you to miss. Unless the shooter is left-handed and right-eye dominant, in which case....

Yea but....

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