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This is a question for anyone who has ever flown with one of those discount airlines like Allegiant that charge a lot of money for every checked bag. I already know what the TSA requires as far as flying with a handgun, declared at the counter, unloaded, locked in a hard case, and has to be part of checked baggage not carry on. What I'm wondering is, is it possible to, after declaring the handgun and going through the required procedure, inspection, etc. for that locked hard case to be put inside the regular luggage bag so that you are only checking in and paying for one checked bag instead of two?
Also to keep a small handgun box from ending up coming out with all the other checked bags, luggage, etc at the end.

If the answer is no, anyone have any suggestions for a large case that will meet TSA requirements for gun transport and also hold stuff like clothes?

(just in case someone says call Allegiant, I tried, good luck with that, and their website doesn't address that particular question, just states what is already TSA policy. )
 

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I've not flown with a firearm but as I understand it in the case of a handgun the locked case (meeting TSA requirements) is Supposed to be placed inside your suitcase not checked separately. If possible the case should be secured inside the suitcase (if your suitcase has wheels and a collapsible handle, you can run a cable lock thru the handles housing on the inside of the case)

Now if you were attending a 3 gun or training class and traveling with multiple guns it might just be easiest to use a large (gun) case like a pelican or apache case checked separately, but as noted with the "cheapie airlines" checking bags can get pricey.

Ammo can be in the original factory box and also placed inside the suitcase and I believe it can also be kept in the magazine but must be kept secured separately from the pistol (been a while since I looked at the regs)
 

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Yes ^^^^^ what he said

I've traveled on Allegiant and other airlines that way recently

The cable lock securing the gun case to the inside of the suitcase is not required... But I do that to discourage any potential theiving airport employees

Handgun is simply placed inside the TSA approved locked container inside your other checked luggage... There no special or additional charges

It's easy to do

Read the regs and read your airlines policies to acquaint yourself of what is required
 

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Ammo in a magazine was prohibited when I worked for a major airline. It was stipulated to be factory ammo in it's original box with a specific weight limit...2.2 kilograms sticks in my foggy brain. The reason that the bags are specially tagged is to prevent them from being tossed on the bag claim belt. When they are checked at the origination the bag room is called to advise that it's coming down the belt and a supervisor is to make sure the handling is correct. On arrival, the bag should be hand carried to the claim area and your receipt checked against the bag tag. The special handling is what the charge applies to.

F-K-L flies Southwest to many events and can advise on their policies and procedures. He likes to ship his ammo ahead via UPS or FedEx to avoid additional airline charges.

edit...it's 11 pounds...always expressed as 5 kilo in our training...go figure.
 
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From Allegaint website:

Allegiant allows firearms to be transported using the following guidelines:

  1. All passengers must declare their firearm at time of check-in.
  2. Passengers must be 18 years of age to check a firearm.
  3. Firearms and ammunition cannot be carried on board the aircraft but are accepted in checked baggage only.
  4. Firearms must be unloaded and encased in a locked, hard-sided container acceptable to Allegiant for withstanding normal checked baggage handling without sustaining damage to the firearm. Only the individual checking the baggage should retain the key or combination.
    1. Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
    2. Replica firearms, including firearm replicas that are toys, may be transported in checked baggage only.
    3. Rifle scopes are permitted in carry-on and checked baggage.
  5. There is no limit to the number of firearms or corresponding accessories a passenger can carry in the locked hard-sided container.
    1. Carrier will accept no more than a total gross weight of eleven (11) pounds of ammunition per passenger
    2. Oversize / overweight restrictions still apply.



I have traveled on Allegiant many times with firearms in my checked luggage. My guns are packed in a locked box (plastic case provided by Manufacturer is acceptable with NON-TSA padlock) in the suitcase with all my other stuff. Ammo and gun are separated within the suitcase. Suitcase to be locked with TSA lock..
 
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I have flown Allegient and left the mags loaded and one loose round (for the chamber) in the same case as the pistol several times. I believe the rules state something like "the ammunition must be in a case or box designed to hold ammunition". The magazine is a perfect case. I also lock me case inside the bag with a cable lock. Just makes me feel a little better.
 

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Yes ^^^^^ what he said

I've traveled on Allegiant and other airlines that way recently

The cable lock securing the gun case to the inside of the suitcase is not required... But I do that to discourage any potential theiving airport employees

Handgun is simply placed inside the TSA approved locked container inside your other checked luggage... There no special or additional charges

It's easy to do

Read the regs and read your airlines policies to acquaint yourself of what is required
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From Allegaint website:

Allegiant allows firearms to be transported using the following guidelines:

  1. All passengers must declare their firearm at time of check-in.
  2. Passengers must be 18 years of age to check a firearm.
  3. Firearms and ammunition cannot be carried on board the aircraft but are accepted in checked baggage only.
  4. Firearms must be unloaded and encased in a locked, hard-sided container acceptable to Allegiant for withstanding normal checked baggage handling without sustaining damage to the firearm. Only the individual checking the baggage should retain the key or combination.
    1. Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
    2. Replica firearms, including firearm replicas that are toys, may be transported in checked baggage only.
    3. Rifle scopes are permitted in carry-on and checked baggage.
  5. There is no limit to the number of firearms or corresponding accessories a passenger can carry in the locked hard-sided container.
    1. Carrier will accept no more than a total gross weight of eleven (11) pounds of ammunition per passenger
    2. Oversize / overweight restrictions still apply.



I have traveled on Allegiant many times with firearms in my checked luggage. My guns are packed in a locked box (plastic case provided by Manufacturer is acceptable with NON-TSA padlock) in the suitcase with all my other stuff. Ammo and gun are separated within the suitcase. Suitcase to be locked with TSA lock..
I have flown Allegient and left the mags loaded and one loose round (for the chamber) in the same case as the pistol several times. I believe the rules state something like "the ammunition must be in a case or box designed to hold ammunition". The magazine is a perfect case. I also lock me case inside the bag with a cable lock. Just makes me feel a little better.
Thanks for that first hand info. As far as what Allegiant says on their website, I read that prior to posting, it or the TSA site didn't answer the specific question of putting the hard gun case instead the luggage bag.

I could not find a list of "approved" gun cases on the TSA website, it only stated the criteria, so based on the criteria listed something like this should technically work. It only has one lock but it's metal and the lock is in the center so someone can't just pry it open with a screwdriver, like a plastic box that only locks on one side. They call it a car gun safe but it's probably no more secure than a plastic box if someone was detirmined.

 

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That is the same case I used. Pistol, full mag a loose round, and my knife was good last time I flew two years ago on Alligent. I shared a checked bag with two of my adult sons and inquired about three guns in one bag and that did not fly. Both my sons have their cpl's also but they only allowed one gun per bag. Greedy Suckers!!!!
 

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Ammo in a magazine was prohibited when I worked for a major airline. It was stipulated to be factory ammo in it's original box with a specific weight limit....
It may be airline specific as last I read the TSA info (which has been a # of years admittedly) it read basically as jlh noted "ammunition must be in a case or box designed to hold ammunition" and the magazine qualified as such (at least back then) Granted I wouldn't just throw a loaded magazine into my suitcase, but might use something like this:
The interior dimensions are listed as: 8-1/8 in. x 5-5/8 in. x 3-3/4 in.
So you could have multiple loaded magazines easily secured inside it. If I was just taking one or two magazines along I might still use something like that and add a knife to the case. Otherwise I would confirm there was no issue with the magazine being inside the gun case while loaded and go that route.
 

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^^ It's your call. If the TSA confiscates an item...it's gone. You most likely won't get them back. At 30-40 bucks each, I would be very concerned about observing their regulations.

Ammo is heavy as we all know. I would be shipping the ammo and mags ahead in a sturdy cardboard box via UPS or FedEx. Check their regs also. When I went to ship Fish's unused ammo back to the Keys with his prepaid label the UPS store wouldn't accept. I ended up tracking down a driver in my neighborhood and he put it in transit.
 

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Thanks for all the information. As far as ammo, I'm only planning on taking about 15 rounds with me, in the original ammo box. The mag's for this particular firearm only hold 7 rounds, so its not like they're a big hassle to load them after I get there. It is my sincere hope that I will return with the same number of rounds I leave with, but unfortunitely a law abiding CC is sometimes not left with any safe alternatives.
 
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