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https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/688535.pdf

The Government made, in 2-1/2 years, 72 tries to buy firearms from online sellers to see if they could get anyone to make a sale to someone that they suspected was making an illegal purchase. This was from normal online sales, not covert sales.

Score, Gun sellers 72, government 0.

In short, we don't knowingly make such deals, and this undermines anti's narrative.

GOOD JOB! :icon_ peace:

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That report is a powerful statement of the honesty of legitimate firearms owners.

If you read a little of the report, they tried 72 times on the normal 'surface web' and went 0-72- including 5 occasions where the forum they were using blocked their accounts after the attempt was made.

They only went 2 for 7 on the 'dark web'. In both cases, they were buying illegally modified guns that had been converted to fully auto.

After 30 months and 89 attempts (and there's no telling how much money or how many man hours), all they have are 2 guns that were bought under the table while utilizing a part of the internet that isn't accessible without special software. Even then, it took them 7 tries to get those 2 guns.

Needless to say, this report is gonna get buried so deep that sunshine won't be able to find it.
 

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Why would that be surprising? Most people are honest.

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Because the results of the operation, published in this report , go contrary to narrative pushed by the "mainstream" media, previous administration, and even the ATF (most recently under influence by the previous administration). :mellow:

So... not surprising because of the RESULTS so much as the fact that those results were actually published. Kinda like admitting that it was all lies to push for more onerous restrictions. :D
 
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Why would that be surprising? Most people are honest.

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I would suggest a modification: Most gun-owners are honest.
 

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The Bloomberg-esque 'investigation' still leaves room for anti-Constitutionalists to challenge the applicability of the results. From the report:

"Specifically, privatesellers on Surface Web gun forums and in classified ads were unwilling tosell a firearm to our agents that self-identified as being prohibited frompossessing a firearm." (Emphasis added)

In other words, the ATF agents told the sellers that they were prohibited from owning a firearm.

Yes, it's a tribute to and indication of the honesty of the average firearm owners.

But realistically -- what person trying to buy a gun would tell the person selling it that they were buying it unlawfully or for unlawful purposes? I suppose the ATF agents had to do that to establish intent and avoid charges of entrapment, but it does undermine the pro-2A position.

Also telling is another line:

"In these 56 attempts, 29 sellers refused because they wouldnot ship a firearm [across state lines] . . . "

That's a good thing.

". . . in five of these attempts, the accounts we set up on severalforums were frozen by the websites, which prevented us from using them after we disclosed our prohibited status or requested interstate shipmentand attempted to make a purchase."

That's another score for the good guys.

But something to notice: out of 72 attempts, eleven were scams and two actually conned the ATF into sending them money. In other words, over 15% of the firearms ads (responded to by the ATF) were scams.

Makes me even more reluctant to buy through an online auction.
 

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So, people are largely compliant with laws that are blatantly unconstitutional.
Unconstitutional laws, both federal and state, which the Supreme Court refuses to refute.
 
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I'm just glad our gov't is dedicating all of this money and manhours into attempts to entrap law abiding US citizens, rather than trying to track down all the guns they lost in F&F, you know...:mellow:...those guns that are actually being used in crimes.
 

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I'm just glad our gov't is dedicating all of this money and manhours into attempts to entrap law abiding US citizens, rather than trying to track down all the guns they lost in F&F, you know...:mellow:...those guns that are actually being used in crimes.
Actually you kind of read my mind!
I was going to say the problem that these people had was they didn't have a inside track to get into the Obama -Holder Gun Purchase club!!----:D
 
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