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Showing how local, state, and federal legislators are out of control. Passing thousands of laws a year for money or votes.
Chances are that something you are legally doing now, will be against the law next year.......under the guise of 'the public good'. And all you have to do is just let it happen.

He also had a great piece on how the police just 'hate' to be video taped, and even though it's 'perfectly legal', showed a few cases where the cops arrested the people who refused to stop taping on their orders....even though their orders were illegal. Of course, they were not able to charge them with anything, and had to be released. But the cops just couldn't stand the camera's......wonder why.

Showed another great piece of a SWAT raid for drugs. Man, woman, child and house dog. Kicked the door in, didn't find any drugs, only paraphernalia. So they arrested him for that. OH, BTW, while they were in the house, they decided to shoot his dog who was just barking. Dogs seem to be a favorite with the trigger happy looking to shoot something....can't get in trouble for killing someones dog.

Sorry LE fans, but I'm losing more and more respect for the profession every day, and mainly because the good cops cover up for these 'Bullies with Badges'. So as far as I'm concerned, they're all in it together.

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>>>Sorry LE fans, but I'm losing more and more respect for the profession every day, and mainly because the good cops cover up for these 'Bullies with Badges'. So as far as I'm concerned, they're all in it together.<<<
I agree with you on this one. The police of today, are NOT the same as in an "earlier time".
The cops of today, are more like the thugs.
I LMAO when I see "how dangerous" the police job is. "They just want to go home safe at night"... blah blah blah..
10 Most Dangerous Jobs in the U.S. | eHow.com
2007-2008 Most dangerous jobs listing...cops didn't even make the top ten. (My job happens to be number 3 on the list, if you are curious at all.)
It has come to this... whenever I hear about a police officer "killed" in the line of duty... I wonder if it wasn't just "suicide by citizen".
(YES... citizen... not civilian... Cops are civilians, not military, and when I hear a cop refer to a citizen as a civilian, well, as former military as well, I always wonder how the military would refer to the cop)
When the cops dress like military members, treat the citizens as the enemy, shoot dogs, abuse people with cameras, and the "so called good cops" are nowhere to be found..hmmm, I have to wonder..
 

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I watched the first half of the show and what lawmakers and the greenies who line the lawmakers pockets are doing is more criminal than any of the acts for which well-meaning people - especially children - were fined or prosecuted.

Also of note were the LEOs who blindly - but cheerfully - go out of their way to enforce laws they know are bad.

Does anyone really think such cretins will be on our side when they get the order to take our guns?
 

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Also of note were the LEOs who blindly - but cheerfully - go out of their way to enforce laws they know are bad.

Does anyone really think such cretins will be on our side when they get the order to take our guns?
Some will but I fear that most wont be on our side. Even though I have friends and acquaintances in the profession I remain a realist. When the rubber hit’s the road or the SHTF these LEO’s will follow the orders of who ever signs their pay check.
 

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I'm a retired FLEO so I can't say what I would do if someone shot my dog, but I'm positive it is not legal in any of the fifty states...
 

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I'm a retired FLEO so I can't say what I would do if someone shot my dog, but I'm positive it is not legal in any of the fifty states...
I guarantee you, if it's done by LE, their dept will say 'bad boy', but it was done 'in the line of duty', and cut a check for the owners to get a new dog.

And I have to agree with other sentiment here about obeying your boss, instead of the law. And of this group called 'Oat Keepers', I even doubt most of them will refuse orders.

But keep in mind, the same crap the politicians use on us, they will use on LE 'and' military, i.e. 'for the public good'. The gimmick is as old as time........and never forget, it comes in 'baby steps'........one small segment of the citizenry, or one small geographical area. So when you hear about it with someone else, or somewhere else, you can comfort yourself with 'at least it's not me', or 'at least it's not here'.........then just relax, and just wait your turn.

Friedrich Gustav Martin Niemöller said it well when he wrote: "........When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out..".
 

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My friend in the NH Statehouse has worked tirelessly for years to unravel and fix bad guns laws in our state. He got legislation passed to allow people to buy 50 pounds of blackpowder without a storage permit. Now he's gone back and noticed some little details that need fixing so that people buying less than 50 pounds don't get harassed, just to make sure everything is covered. And that how it goes with him, always vigilant, like getting our new Castle Doctrine passed and more. I give him an A+ for his attention to detail and tireless determination.
 
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Unfortunately, ". . . for the public good . . .", more times than not in this day and time, stands as a blatant contradiction to my civil liberties and individual rights which, according to the US Constitution and the Amendments attached to it and The Bill of Rights say are guaranteed first priority as a US born citizen!!! Things done "for the public good" is the prime directive for socialist and communistic societies in my understanding of the world.
 
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I wouldn't lose total faith in LE just yet. Today I attended the funeral of an FHP friend and neighbor whose father suddenly passed away from the result of a freak accident at a steakhouse here in FL. I have 3 state trooper's and several county mounties as neighbors and shooting friends and believe me they KNOW who has guts, integrity, honor and who doesn't.
 

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Something that is never paid much attention to in America is how spoiled we are by the quality of our police.In a lot of foreign countries a citizen doesn't dial 911,because the police are the ones running the scams to begin with.I know a student from India who has traveled the world ,and from his experiences I am to conclude that an honest policeman is a *very* rare asset to treasure.

When the top levels of government begin to decay,the police starts to decay also.If the people at the top of the political structure start to violate the law the police begin to support and enforce these violations,which ruins the moral compass of everyone involved.Honest cops leave of their own volition....or as is commonplace overseas they have 'accidents'.

We are starting to see the moral breakdown of our Law Enforcement community's integrity.With the direction we are going toward as a nation,one day we in America will reach the point citizens in Mexico and Brazil are at now ,and start considering the "man in blue" to be a greater threat than the felons police supposedly are intended to arrest.

I take no pleaure in stating this,but I pray I never see the day where I strap on my carry gun in an age where I am more likely to defend myself from a police shakedown than I am a criminal attack.Some parts of America are already like the 'third world' in that respect.I hope those who have a badge that read this don't think that I am anti-law enforcement.I'm anti-corruption,as the vices of greed and abuse of power are a trickle down phenomena.
 

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I have 3 state trooper's and several county mounties as neighbors and shooting friends and believe me they KNOW who has guts, integrity, honor and who doesn't.
THEY may know who has those three traits, but until THEY stand up, and point out the ones who DO NOT, they are guilty by association. Many other professions "police" their own, and get rid of the deadwood / unsafe / lawless. The Thin Blue Line closes around the guilty / corrupt / bad apples, and to hell with the oath.
The uniformed law enforcement of today, is much like keeping a wild animal as a pet..they may appear to be "cute to have as pets", but they are unpredictable in the long run.
Just as I don't "hang around with the Hells Angels", and prefer to be away from groups of them... I prefer to stay away from the, so called, law enforcement community as well.
It is a sad day, when one prefers to see lawlessness then call the police, and have to deal with the drama they bring to the situation.
 

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Some parts of America are already like the 'third world' in that respect.I hope those who have a badge that read this don't think that I am anti-law enforcement.I'm anti-corruption,as the vices of greed and abuse of power are a trickle down phenomena.
Well stated. I am curious though. When will you have enough? When is the "tipping point" for you? The abuse of power has grown larger, the LEO's have become more abusive / gang like / and just plain mean, to the populus. When do YOU say, that is enough, and just WHAT will you do then?
 

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Well stated. I am curious though. When will you have enough? When is the "tipping point" for you? The abuse of power has grown larger, the LEO's have become more abusive / gang like / and just plain mean, to the populus. When do YOU say, that is enough, and just WHAT will you do then?
There are no quick and dirty answers to this quiry,but I would draw the line at law enforcement comitting crimes against persons without risk of oversight.In foreign countries a cop can simply shoot a person stopped for a traffic violation,rob them,and tell the superiors that some "bandits"accosted yet another unfortunate traveller.The higher ups in such a corrupt department typically don't care so long as a cut is paid in respect.

That sort of behavior has happened very spordically in the USA,but such criminal schemes like the LAPD CRASH scandal get shut down by the judiciary.When that stops happening and courts begin to handwave LEOs who violate laws on assault & murder,that's when the tipping point is reached.
 
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This is a scary, tough conversation. I know several police officers who would NEVER, under ANY circumstances, obey an unconstitutional law. But, they're shooters, and friends.

I know a couple who aren't shooters, and frankly, I have my suspicions about what they'd do under orders, legal or otherwise, to ensure uninterrupted cash flow to their family nest egg.

They are aquaintances. I am praying that if we go through a time of ugliness that it happen while I'm young enough not to be a victim simply because I have the ability to respond. There's nothing more terrifying than the thought of being old and effectively defenseless against young, thuggish ideals and people, especially if they have the mantle of "the power of the state" behind them. The Nazis gassed lots of old folks, too.
 

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i note more and more yavapai sherriffs wearing more and more mil spec stuff, and they drive a lot of totally unmarked vehicle, and seeing a lot of people pulled over by those same unmarked vehicles (lamps are hidden below visors and in grills) when did leo working on public paid for roads become covert operators
 

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>>>Sorry LE fans, but I'm losing more and more respect for the profession every day, and mainly because the good cops cover up for these 'Bullies with Badges'. So as far as I'm concerned, they're all in it together.<<<
I agree with you on this one. The police of today, are NOT the same as in an "earlier time".
The cops of today, are more like the thugs.
I LMAO when I see "how dangerous" the police job is. "They just want to go home safe at night"... blah blah blah..
10 Most Dangerous Jobs in the U.S. | eHow.com
2007-2008 Most dangerous jobs listing...cops didn't even make the top ten. (My job happens to be number 3 on the list, if you are curious at all.)
It has come to this... whenever I hear about a police officer "killed" in the line of duty... I wonder if it wasn't just "suicide by citizen".
(YES... citizen... not civilian... Cops are civilians, not military, and when I hear a cop refer to a citizen as a civilian, well, as former military as well, I always wonder how the military would refer to the cop)
When the cops dress like military members, treat the citizens as the enemy, shoot dogs, abuse people with cameras, and the "so called good cops" are nowhere to be found..hmmm, I have to wonder..
The LEO's around here dress up in military clothes. They wear combat fatigues big boots and have guns straped to their legs just to make traffic stops.
I guess this is necessary. After all, someone's little poodle might jump out of car and try to tear them to pieces.
 

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Well stated. I am curious though. When will you have enough? When is the "tipping point" for you? The abuse of power has grown larger, the LEO's have become more abusive / gang like / and just plain mean, to the populus. When do YOU say, that is enough, and just WHAT will you do then?
Always an interesting question, and for the general population, there is no answer, as 'it' (the citizenry) is a fragmented entity. LE, military, and the various agencies have several advantages......the main one being 'communication'. And communication allows for 'coordination. They can spend astronomical amounts on equipment and technology, with money (power) taken from the public, under the assumption that it will be used 'for' the public.

This is fine, until it begins to be used to 'protect their power' instead, which is slowly happening. The latest example being the use of 'our' resources to fund the use of 'their' drones, to be used in 'this' country. And I have no doubt, to be eventually used by 'them' to keep 'us' (the entire American public) under surveillance.

All done, of course, for the 'public good'.

As for the acquisition of our resources (power), I liken it to the mob visiting shop owners and telling them it's a dangerous area and that 'bad things' could happen, but that the shop owner is in luck because for a small fee, they will provide protection against said 'bad things'. And with the fees collected (taxes), the mob makes a living, and can spend all it's time building 'it's' network, communications, tools, manpower, etc., while we have to spend our time working.

They have the capability to organize quickly and respond in force, the public can not. Those that try, walk a thin line, and often are deemed by the mob......er, I mean LE, at whatever level, to be threats, and have to be eliminated. Even if they are not a threat, the LE brotherhood blue wall will somehow try to make them one (Waco, Ruby Ridge, Michigan militia). And even if you are innocent, aggressive legal defense can bankrupt you, while the DA just sends his bill to the taxpayers.

When? Who knows? You might ask the Syrian public what determined 'when'.......it will be a variety of answers, and the 'when' was decided on at different times, by different people. And as demonstrated there, the government can decide 'all at once'.

The only advantage the citizenry has against totalitarianism, should it take hold, is numbers. The last I heard there was 80 million gun owners in the U.S. Total LE and combat military probably is somewhere around 2 million, 3 at most. So this is why gun control is critical to totalitarianism....especially here. The government has the equipment, technology, hired guns, and communication systems, bought with public money..............and the public just has 'numbers'.

But those 'numbers' are why taking your liberties is preferably done in 'baby steps'............'boil the frog slowly'......'push the envelope', so you don't react any more than just complain.

Let's just hope that the battle can be won at the ballot box, and by us being a constant buzz in our representatives ears. But I fear they have already hood winked, and bought and paid for too many of us with voting power. And like some freed slaves that preferred to stay on the plantation (as freedom was scary), the socialist/communists already own too many people.
 

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This is a scary, tough conversation. I know several police officers who would NEVER, under ANY circumstances, obey an unconstitutional law. But, they're shooters, and friends.

I know a couple who aren't shooters, and frankly, I have my suspicions about what they'd do under orders, legal or otherwise, to ensure uninterrupted cash flow to their family nest egg.

They are aquaintances. I am praying that if we go through a time of ugliness that it happen while I'm young enough not to be a victim simply because I have the ability to respond. There's nothing more terrifying than the thought of being old and effectively defenseless against young, thuggish ideals and people, especially if they have the mantle of "the power of the state" behind them. The Nazis gassed lots of old folks, too.
Yes Sir, it is very "scary, and tough". But it has to be discussed.
HOW do you KNOW that your friends would NEVER obey an unconstitutional order? They have families to feed, and if the "gang leader" tells them to "perform, or lose their job"... well....... what would you do? The time is drawing close to the tipping point I alluded to earlier. If the "good cops", don't start to clean up their "gangs" act, THEY will have no choice in the matter later.
I prefer to consider ALL cops bad / thuggish until proven otherwise. Safer for me, my family, and my dog.
The thing that the "good cops" don't really understand, or don't care about, is that THEY too will be on the list with the rest of us, AFTER they have performed the requested action of disarming / killing / abusing the citizens. Do they really think that THEY will be spared the thuggishness of a tyrannical government? Read your history. The Nazi's killed alot of their own, after they became worthless to the regime. It will happen here as well. The cops had better choose a side, and soon, otherwise..well, you can imagine.
The cops have a number of options here, in my opinion... Continue the same path of thuggishness...........Get off the steroids, and start to stand up to the "gang leader" and tell them NO.......start culling from the "thin blue line" the bad cops.....
Like most people, I am sure they will choose the "easy path", and continue the same path. Unfortunate.
IF, and it is a big IF, the "time of ugliness" happens, the "good cops" will be thrown into the same pot as the "bad cops", and no matter how much they will try to convince the citizens that THEY are the good cops, it won't matter. How can you tell? If they can officially lie to the citizens NOW, what are the citizens to expect, when the "time of unpleasantness" happens?
I find it telling, how deafining it is that not one "good cop" has stood up, and tried, at least, to make a stand against the "gang".
Yes, I am old too, and I don't want to be gassed as well.
I want my "old country" back, the one that I fought for. Not this "gang land" of thugs with badges.
 

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Always an interesting question, and for the general population, there is no answer, as 'it' (the citizenry) is a fragmented entity. LE, military, and the various agencies have several advantages......the main one being 'communication'. And communication allows for 'coordination. They can spend astronomical amounts on equipment and technology, with money (power) taken from the public, under the assumption that it will be used 'for' the public.

This is fine, until it begins to be used to 'protect their power' instead, which is slowly happening. The latest example being the use of 'our' resources to fund the use of 'their' drones, to be used in 'this' country. And I have no doubt, to be eventually used by 'them' to keep 'us' (the entire American public) under surveillance.

All done, of course, for the 'public good'.

They have the capability to organize quickly and respond in force, the public can not. Those that try, walk a thin line, and often are deemed by the mob......er, I mean LE, at whatever level, to be threats, and have to be eliminated. Even if they are not a threat, the LE brotherhood blue wall will somehow try to make them one (Waco, Ruby Ridge, Michigan militia). And even if you are innocent, aggressive legal defense can bankrupt you, while the DA just sends his bill to the taxpayers.

When? Who knows? You might ask the Syrian public what determined 'when'.......it will be a variety of answers, and the 'when' was decided on at different times, by different people. And as demonstrated there, the government can decide 'all at once'.

The only advantage the citizenry has against totalitarianism, should it take hold, is numbers. The last I heard there was 80 million gun owners in the U.S. Total LE and combat military probably is somewhere around 2 million, 3 at most. So this is why gun control is critical to totalitarianism....especially here. The government has the equipment, technology, hired guns, and communication systems, bought with public money..............and the public just has 'numbers'.

But those 'numbers' are why taking your liberties is preferably done in 'baby steps'............'boil the frog slowly'......'push the envelope', so you don't react any more than just complain. .
Outstanding post.
I have not quoted the complete post, more for brevity, not to lose any info.
Asking the Syrian people is a very good point. In Libya, the "police" used inflitrators into the citizens movement, to create violence, and to allow the Libyan thugs to use the maximum force against the people. When the leaders of the movement found out about this tactic, they got the address of the "infiltrators", family members names, schools where they had their kids, etc. They went to them, and told them, "do not show at the next citizen movement, or bad things could happen..", the citizen leaders then went to a few of the single "infiltrators" and "removed them", just to make the point. Funny, most, if not all of the infiltrators DID NOT show up, the next day, and the Libyan movement gained traction, the people won, and well you all know the rest of the story.
My point is, that type of action can work here as well, probably better, and no matter how quickly the LEO's can organize, if they fear for their families lives, I really think the effect will be diminished.
As for the Frog boiling: I read an article not to long ago, that asked the question. When do the gun owners "uprise?" Should they wait, and go along with the registering of firearms, as it is ONLY registration, THEY are not actually going to take them... OR....
should the gun owners hope that the confiscation of arms is widely reported on, and the gun owners will have the opportunity to organize a resistance?
Good question for the group.
As for me?? I have NO weapons. I don't even own steak knives.
I really DO want my country back, and it ain't a Republican / Democrat thing. It is a Corrupt Politicion thing.
 
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