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Hi all,

I've had my eye on a Ciener rimfire conversion for my PT-99 since I bought the pistol a little more than a year ago.

Midway USA had them for a while, but they're now listed as discontinued on their web site. Further, I read on another forum that Ciener himself was recently arrested for fraud -- I haven't seen any confirmation of this fact! -- for taking money for orders and not delivering.

Bummer. I was really hoping to get one of those -- although that purchase is a lower priority than several others.

Does anyone here have one? If so, do you like the conversion kit?

I suppose I can always find one used, or maybe some other company will pick up the rights to manufacture them.

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-Drew
 

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Ciener was arrested. It was posted on another website. Mail fraud. Keep looking for the conversion. They come up every now and again on different websites as well as used like this one: Pistols : WTS: Ciener .22LR Conversion for Beretta 92/96

Can neither confirm nor deny that he actually has one, but they do show up every now and again. Summit Gun Brokers had a bunch of them earlier this month from a police department that sold them off. They went in about 3 days.
 

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I have one for my PT92 as well as had one for a 1911 Springfield which I have since sold the gun and the conversion. I have no interest in selling mine for the PT92 as it was one of the best conversion units I've tried to date though only tried those for 1911 not PT92 or Beretta guns.
 

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I have one for my 917CS and it works very well. I have been trying to find a Ciener threaded barrel for it, but have had no luck. It looks like I'm going to have to get my gunsmith to extend the stock .22 barrel with a threaded adapter. He did this on my Beretta 21A and it works great with my Sparrow.
 

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The one at Summit Gun Broker was the Beretta version not the Taurus version. Ciener was charged and according to Brevard County Court record he was supposed to have a court date on 12-08-2011 but it was cancelled but looks like he is still on a $2000 bail. You can find that in public case search in Court of Clerk for Brevard County. I am was going to get one from Midway too but they discontinued it. Ciener site is still up. I am wondering what's up too. Did the County drop his charge or his lawyer asked to postpone his court date. I can't remember in which forum I saw a guy posted a thread about he suddenly got a refund from Ciener a few days after his arrest. He put in an order on an AK .22lr conversion like two years ago and he had never gotten his conversion kit. He called Ciener and he told him he is a troublesome client and his order will be moved to the end of the queue. And that's also part of the complaint on the Brevard County 7 pages long charging document.
 

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Ciener arrested and charged with felony fraud - November 2011

On another forum, there has been a discussion about the problems with Ciener products.
Ciener himself has been arrested (November 2011) and charged with felony fraud:

22 Conversion Specialist Ciener Arrested on Fraud Charges

Sheriff Arrests Jonathan Arthur Ciener On Fraud Charges | The Firearm Blog

Brevard Times: Brevard County Sheriff's Office Raids and Arrests Gun Modification Manufacturer

Do Not Buy Ciener .22lr conversions


I believe in "innocent until proven guilty", but choose not to deal with him or his products until this is resolved.
 

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Thanks for the additional information, folks.

It's really a dang shame that the man couldn't just produce and deliver good products without getting in trouble with the law and defrauding his customers.

From all I've read, his products were very good.
 

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I bought a Ciener 22LR conversion kit for my PT-92 from my LGS in Melbourne, FL around 2 months ago. Seems like they got a close-out deal on them since Ciener's arrest. The kit typically runs $199, but the LGS was selling them on special for $150. After reading on-line about Ciener's poor customer service practices, I refused to deal directly with him, but I also read that he has a great product. When I saw the kit for $150, I bought it in a heartbeat. It is a real sweet conversion kit. I have only put about 50 rounds through it so far, but love it - it shoots great. A large frame semi-auto 22LR pistol is a beautiful thing!
 

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Thanks for the additional information, folks.

It's really a dang shame that the man couldn't just produce and deliver good products without getting in trouble with the law and defrauding his customers.

From all I've read, his products were very good.

What's the name and phone number of the LGS? Do you know if they still have it in stock?
 
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