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Talking about my son, here.

Late last night, he and his SO were in bed when they heard a pounding at the door. As Mike pulled on a pair or shorts and grabbed for his bedside gun he told his SO to call 911.
By the time he got to the front door, Mike could understand a man saying "I've been shot."
Turned out to be one of the family living next door, a man Mike knew. By then, the man was on the ground, blocking the storm door from opening. Mike could see what turned out to be the exit wound in the man's back and had to tell him to roll over so he could open the door. Then he saw the entrance wound as well.
Pistol tucked into his shorts in a SOB holster, Mike went next door to see whether the rest of the family was all right. Found the younger brother of the wounded man and learned it was a domestic dispute wherein the younger brother shot the older in what he said was self-defense.
A few minutes later the police arrived and Mike was amazed at how long it took for them to get ready: one cop had to load his shotgun; the other fumbled with the sling of his AR-15 for what seemed a long time before getting it into place. Then more fumbling as he tried to get the magazine locked in and the rifle charged. (I was surprised at hearing this but suggested the police may have rules of engagement that prevent them from carrying loaded long arms.)
Now, all during the investigation, the arrival and departure of the EMPs and such. Mike still has his pistol holstered in the small of his back and is still wearing only a pair of shorts. (His SO had told the 911 operator that Mike was armed and that he was a licensed carrier.)
Suddenly, one policeman noticed Mike's pistol and threw him to the ground. Mike explained why he was armed and that, although he certainly didn't need his gun once the police arrived, he'd be damned if he was going to pull it out then and risk getting shot while putting it in his truck. (Mike's house was a crime scene by then: couldn't get back inside for a while.)
The policeman accepted this but told Mike he'd have to secure the firearm in his cruiser for a while. Fine with Mike.
Later, an LEO was questioning Mike and the conversation went like this:
"Now, you opened your door and saw the wounded man on your porch slab. Is that correct?"
"Yes, sir. Shot just above his right kidney. Straight through, clean exit wound."
"How do you know that?"
"I told him to roll over so I could open the door."
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"What were you carrying?"
"A Bersa Thunder 380CC."
"A what?"
"Bersa .380 caliber automatic with eight rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber, condition zero."
"What's condition zero?"
Mike explained.
"And it was loaded?"
"Yes. a total of nine rounds of jacketed hollow-point ammunition."
"You actually know what kind of ammo you have?"
"Of course."
"Most people don't." Then, "You're shaking. Are you cold?"
"I'm not cold. For Christ's sake, I'm sweating like a pig."
The cop grinned and nodded. "You're feeling the rush, aren't you?"
After a few more questions Mike's pistol was returned to him and he was allowed to go back into his house - where he laid awake most of the night coming down from the adrenaline high.

Now, as a father and a fellow gun owner, I can see the mistakes Mike made and the sheepdog mentality that caused him to make them.
But I'll leave it to the rest of you to provide the Monday-morning quarterbacking.
 

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I think he talked a bit much, but I'm glad he is ok. I hope the neighbor ends up being ok too.

It sounds like you raised a good kid though Lance, he went to help, that says alot in my opinion.
 

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I'll second the "raising a good kid" sentiment. I really can't say what I would have done in the same situation, but in hindsight, maybe changed just a couple of things:

* Maybe ask how he got shot, and if anyone else next door needed medical assistance?
* Maybe ask, if suspecting a domestic, is there anyone else next door that might want to come over here and finish the job?

If no one was hurt next door, just make him comfortable and await the police/EMT. And at first sight of the police, if he's able, sneak the SOB out of his shorts and toss it inside?

Again, wasn't there, just happy he and his SO only suffered a temporary adrenaline OD.
 
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He gave too many details, but then again, he had nothing to hide. I personally would have tried to ask "Who shot you? Are they still there? before clearing the neighbor's house. He could have been ambushed going into that other apartment blind. If I did go into the other apartment, I would have gone in gun drawn, not holstered.
 

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The only things I 'think' I might have done differently are:

Once I discovered it was my neighbor and no threat to me, I would have set my pistol on the table BEFORE I exited my front door.
That way first responders don't a thing about it. No questions, no cuffs, no hassles.

Two: I'm not so sure it was wise to go next door to 'check up' on other people. The other person with the gun may still be enraged.
Remember all the 'domestic' threads we have had the past week?
 

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Lance I think your son did a brave thing and does not need to second guess himself. You should be very proud of him.. Tell him thanks from a person that was there once.
 

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Just asking to be shot.
I would rebuke that going into an apartment where someone just got shot with your gun holstered is also asking to be shot only without the opportunity to defend yourself.
 
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He gave too many details, but then again, he had nothing to hide. I personally would have tried to ask "Who shot you? Are they still there? before clearing the neighbor's house. He could have been ambushed going into that other apartment blind. If I did go into the other apartment, I would have gone in gun drawn, not holstered.
I don't know whether he did any of these things, including "gun drawn".
What I have are fragments of a phone conversation this morning in which I was probably too fascinated by the story and too relieved that Mike was all right that I didn't ask many questions.
 

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That makes sense. I do give him a ton of credit for remaining cool and gaining control of the conversation despite the adrenalin dump. At the end of the day, all that matters is that your son and his SO are safe and even better were not harassed by LEO simply for being armed (as would have happened in my neck of the woods).
 
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Ballsy. If there was a man with a gunshot wound on my porch, no way am opening my door or stepping out. Your son did well to make sure that the neighbors were OK.

Am glad no one else was hurt.
 

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I would rebuke that going into an apartment where someone just got shot with your gun holstered is also asking to be shot only without the opportunity to defend yourself.
My point is that he should NOT have gone over there.

Old men don't get to be old men by rushing into the middle of domestic violence situations without training and no back up.
As I see it:
You son knew these three things.
Someone was pissed.
Someone has a gun.
Someone used the gun on a human.
Danger! Will Robinson! Danger! (waving robotic arms in the air)

Look we are all glad your son is ok. And we are glad to see your son has compasion for others. It's good feeling to know your son has 'a pair'.
But Youtube is full of videos of young men with 'a pair' blowing themselves up in stupid stunts.

But in my meger worthless opinion your son was one jerk away from losing his life last night. If it were my son today would be a father/son teaching moment. My son is worth more than any neighbor.
 

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Tough situation, but he acquitted himself well. You know, of course, that hindsight is always better than foresight.;) I've never been faced with the sort of decisions he was, so I don't know how I'd react. But with the luxury of sitting here mulling "what ifs," here I go: Neighbor is on the doorstep, obviously shot. Whoever shot him might not be far away, so once I get outside (with gun drawn) first thing is to clear the immediate area, then holster the gun and tend to the neighbor. I would not have rushed to the neighbor's door, especially if the neighbor was still conscious and able to talk. ask him who did it, and if he/she is still in the vicinity. It's up to the cops to clear the house, not me. Also, since I knew the cops were on the way, I wouldn't want to be traipsing around with an unholstered gun.

I congratulate your son for an excellent choice of weapon. :D
 

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Tough situation, but he acquitted himself well. You know, of course, that hindsight is always better than foresight.;) I've never been faced with the sort of decisions he was, so I don't know how I'd react. But with the luxury of sitting here mulling "what ifs," here I go: Neighbor is on the doorstep, obviously shot. Whoever shot him might not be far away, so once I get outside (with gun drawn) first thing is to clear the immediate area, then holster the gun and tend to the neighbor. I would not have rushed to the neighbor's door, especially if the neighbor was still conscious and able to talk. ask him who did it, and if he/she is still in the vicinity. It's up to the cops to clear the house, not me. Also, since I knew the cops were on the way, I wouldn't want to be traipsing around with an unholstered gun.

I congratulate your son for an excellent choice of weapon. :D
+1 First responsibility is to protect one's self and SO, then render aid to the neighbor. Stepping into a violent domestic situation, even if it has been de-escalated somewhat, is not a good idea.
 

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Glad to hear things turned out okay
 

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Your son is a fine man. He chose to do the right thing and not the easy thing. The details really don't matter other than teaching himself how to improve for the next time something like this happens.

As a father, I know how proud you can feel knowing that the lessons you tried to teach them really did sink in.
 

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He gave too many details, but then again, he had nothing to hide. I personally would have tried to ask "Who shot you? Are they still there? before clearing the neighbor's house. He could have been ambushed going into that other apartment blind. If I did go into the other apartment, I would have gone in gun drawn, not holstered.
And then the guys family member who shot him thinks youre a friend coming for revenge and shoots you, or you see him try to shoot you so you shoot him, then police get there and arrest you for manslaughter or murder 2. Its going to be a rough trial trying to explain how you shot someone in their own house, whether they shot someone else or not.
 

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glad your sons ok and every one else has beaten to death the fact never go looking for trouble as long as you and yours are safe. The scared kid could have just as well put a bullet in your son so ill just leave it at that

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First, the neighbors in question all know my son and he them.
In fact, he sold the wounded guy a car over a year ago and is still waiting for the rest of the money.

(Morbid thought: Maybe Mike showed great restraint in not plugging the guy himself.)

Now, this is not to say he did the right thing in showing concern for the rest of the family. Myself, I'd probably have waited for the police to arrive.
 
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