[Czechbikr]

The original ran last night...in order to beat the drum some more, they did a repeat tonight. There are a lot of other gun grabber bills coming forth in ILLinois this coming week..some say it's a diversion for other scandals that impact the Speaker.

Sellers of ?ghost guns? bypass Illinois gun laws | WGN-TV

 

[TonyC2639]

I was wondering when these brainless twits would discover ghosts.

 

[230JHP]

BIL asked about 'ghost guns' a couple of days ago.

Someone had told him they were guns killers were using now because they were impossible to trace and easy to get without a background check.

Next story will be that 'ghost guns' have special powers to pass through metal detectors and TSA screenings undetected and improve accuracy when rotated 90 degrees to the left or right.

 

[coopercdrkey]

I'm aghast on two levels- First that I have been so naive and uninformed that the whole concept of ghost guns is news to me. Of course, I've seen the ads for 80% this and aftermarket that, but I understood that items such as lower receivers were serial numbered and required the same delivery system, (i.e.- background check), as fully functional weapons.

Secondly, as a law abiding responsible gun owner, I can't begin to express the anger I have toward someone who is contributing so blatantly to the cause of the anti gun sector! We have more than enough battle fronts without jerks touting the easy availability and untraceability of AR-15's!

 

[CJS3]

80% means that it's not a firearm. No S/N required. You do have to put in some effort to make it a firearm.
With all the effort that goes into "making" an 80% lower or Glock frame, it would be easier to steal a firearm and file off the serial number. Someone putting that much effort into buying parts and milling the lowers isn't going to be your average stick up man. If they're doing it for profit from a less than law abiding clientele, all it takes is one customer copping a plea for you to arrive at a fed pen for a 25 (no time off for good behavior) year vacation. Of course we don't have FOID cards or registration in Texas, so I guess I'm just not as bothered by not going through background checks for private sales (receipts are just fine) or registering my firearms with Big Brother.

 

[TexasAviator]

80% means that it's not a firearm. No S/N required. You do have to put in some effort to make it a firearm.
With all the effort that goes into "making" an 80% lower or Glock frame, it would be easier to steal a firearm and file off the serial number. Someone putting that much effort into buying parts and milling the lowers isn't going to be your average stick up man. If they're doing it for profit from a less than law abiding clientele, all it takes is one customer copping a plea for you to arrive at a fed pen for a 25 (no time off for good behavior) year vacation. Of course we don't have FOID cards or registration in Texas, so I guess I'm just not as bothered by not going through background checks for private sales (receipts are just fine) or registering my firearms with Big Brother.

Even filed off SN's can be brought back out with chemicals.

 

[flareside_ford]

My question is how many crimes have been solved buy tracing the gun using it's serial number? I'm guessing not that many.

 

[Konyo312]

I saw that program. What criminal will pay $700 for a pistol they have to work on when they can pick one up for cheaper in the alley?
Add to this, Rahm is pushing to ban large cap mags and body armor. It's already illegal to use body armor in a crime, and large cap mags are illegal in Chicago. That didn't stop the criminal. They're just making it difficult for law-abiding citizens. By definition, criminals are not law-abiding.


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[olfarhors]

My question is how many crimes have been solved buy tracing the gun using it's serial number? I'm guessing not that many.

may be different in different areas but aren't criminals that steal guns or buy them off the street required to fill out a FFL 4473 and that should have the serial number on it???
you guys just don't understand how the liberal mind works!
that's the problem!-----

 

[Czechbikr]

may be different in different areas but aren't criminals that steal guns or buy them off the street required to fill out a FFL 4473 and that should have the serial number on it???
you guys just don't understand how the liberal mind works!
that's the problem!-----

They don't have a "mind"...they have an agenda...created by someone else's mind.

 

[Smokewagon]

may be different in different areas but aren't criminals that steal guns or buy them off the street required to fill out a FFL 4473 and that should have the serial number on it???
you guys just don't understand how the liberal mind works!
that's the problem!-----

They are not. But sounds like a good law for some liberal politician to introduce.

 

[flareside_ford]

may be different in different areas but aren't criminals that steal guns or buy them off the street required to fill out a FFL 4473 and that should have the serial number on it???
you guys just don't understand how the liberal mind works!
that's the problem!-----

It makes me happy everyday that I don't understand the liberal mind.

 

[53rdcard]

What exactly are ghost guns? cause i think this when i hear that

 

[olfarhors]

What exactly are ghost guns? cause i think this when i hear that

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That's it, but its only 80% finished!!!
so subtract 20%of the parts that you have pictured!

 

[dwhite]

Serial numbers are not about solving crimes, they are about assigning blame.

They can't find the person that pulled the trigger but they have the gun. "Mr. Smith
You owned this gun and never reported it stolen. Now, we know you didn't pull the trigger
but your lax gun security makes YOU responsible for this murder".

All the Best,
D. White

 

[youngandfree]

I'm aghast on two levels- First that I have been so naive and uninformed that the whole concept of ghost guns is news to me. Of course, I've seen the ads for 80% this and aftermarket that, but I understood that items such as lower receivers were serial numbered and required the same delivery system, (i.e.- background check), as fully functional weapons.

Secondly, as a law abiding responsible gun owner, I can't begin to express the anger I have toward someone who is contributing so blatantly to the cause of the anti gun sector! We have more than enough battle fronts without jerks touting the easy availability and untraceability of AR-15's!

It's perfectly legal to manufacture your own firearm, and has been so for decades. You can't make one and sell it, but you are perfectly legal to make one. Not just AR15's. These just get the attention on the news.