Last time I was at Cabella's I saw these wire thingys that hold up the clay pidgeons about two feet off the ground. They make great targets. I do think they may be bullet proof though. Or maybe they move just as the bullet gets there, not sure. Anyway they are great pistol targets.Eye sight being not as good as it used to be allows me more shooting at the same target than it used to. I used to shoot the center out and have to replace the target, now I scatter them out and can simply use pasters or a marker and continue shooting since the center is still intact. And when I do longer range shooting at clay pigeons placed on the back stop I'm convinced that they are selling bullet proof pigeons now; they didn't used to do that. Conservation and recycling has extended that far.