for defense 38 or 38+p?

fltrucker73 · Dec 11, 2007

i was in the gun shop today looking at revolvers asked to look at +p revolvers and he said that i didnt need that it was meant for cops for more pentration though windows,doors,etc and still have the power to stop the person and that a 38 would be fine for a carry gun with the right ammo. so comments pls i am courious if this guy right?or full of B.S.

Qwiks draw · Dec 11, 2007

BUWAHAHAHAHA!! :devil:
To .38 +P or not +P. That is the question? This being one of the more asked questions there's a lot to cover.
Get a tall beverage and send out for the next few meals this is going to take a while.

Qwiks draw · Dec 11, 2007

Here's some other things that need consideration.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1603.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1926.0

Granted there 's a lot here with all these links to read. On the other hand this has to do wiith moral/ethical standards, liability, and protecting yourself and others. Can't take that lightly at all.

fltrucker73 · Dec 11, 2007

mrglock · Dec 11, 2007

IMO it sounds like the guy was trying to steer you into buying what he needed to sell. Go for the +p capable gun and shoot what you want out of it.

Qwiks draw · Dec 11, 2007

It's kind of odd what the guy is said and is trying to get you to go with. Most revolvers in this day and age are +P rated. Not all, but the list of non+P rated revolvers are mostly the older types from 20 or more years ago. Older ancient revolvers that aren't designed for +P could be totaled or overstressed by +P loads. So there is some reason why as not to use +P in these.

Armscorp and EAA Windicator are two such modern day versions that aren't +P rated. Maybe I missed something but their magazine articles and brochures in the past few years always stressed no +P. The Comanche revolver may be a non +P gun,too.

Rossi makes the 851 with 4 inch barrel and Taurus makes the model 82 which are +P rated and are budget guns. These will give excellent service. These would be in the same price range as an Armscorp or a EAA Windicator.
Fit/finish and trigger pull are better than the Armscorp and the EAA porduct.

There are 110grain-130 grain JHPs that are standard pressure loads that will give a good standard of protection.
If a good jacket hollowpoint is out of the question then a good semiwadcutter nosed bullet,even in 158 grain guise would work better than round nosed bullets.

While there is a lot to read in the links and understand we are open for further queries if needed.
People might have the time to sit down and read all this due to the storm nation wide that's shutting quite a few states down for the next few days. Maybe a week or so depending on circumstances.

Armscorp and EAA products are good sound guns and will serve one well. Just thought I'd give you an alternative if needed. This may be about other brands as well.
Some of this is in general or for examples sake.

Ace · Dec 12, 2007

I beg to differ on the Armscorp revolvers quiks, I had a chance to inspect several new .38's at a local shop and they were all out of time so much I would have been afraid to shoot them. I went through about three or four of them before giving up, which was a shame really because aside from quality, they are almost a carbon copy of a colt detective at a fraction of the price. In any case inspect the one you wish to buy thoroughly before you actually go through with the sale, which is good advice on buying any gun.

Qwiks draw · Dec 12, 2007

You ready to rumble Ace? I'm not. Have had only limited contact with the Armcorp and read a few articles on that brand, so I'll bow to your experience on that.

EAA wasn't to bad as far as revolvers go though.

mrglock · Dec 12, 2007

Too bad to hear that the Armscor probably aren't that good; I do like the looks of their model 206 and they can be had, new, around here for less than $220 otd.

Robby · Dec 12, 2007

I saw a Rossi 6 shot 357, model 461 I believe this week for $227. And it does not look cheap!!

I know nothing about armscor, or the other one. I know that commanche looks cheap to me.

Ace · Dec 14, 2007

Well I might not be ready to rumble but the revolvers I inspected at the shop had those issues which is why I advised to inspect any gun before you buy. That said the 1911's I inspected made by Armscorp were absolutely perfect for the money, like night and day. But if I found one with adequate timing I would have picked one up since they were only asking $200 for it. If it was something a smith could fix then it might be worth it But for an extra c note you could get a taurus and not have the worry.

Qwiks draw · Dec 14, 2007

Ace, I was

when I said the rumble part. The only rumbles I do of late is after eating that last taco. ;D Yes indeedy, for a little more in just makes sense to have something more reliable if that happens.

Ace · Dec 14, 2007

Tacos make me rumble too.

joe sixpack · Dec 14, 2007

i'd get a .357.. then run .38's if you want.. or you can shoot +P no problem.. with a .357 you got options you can always scale down to .38's or go full force with mag's

sometimes you can get the .357 for the same price like the rossi revolvers are the same price so why not go with the 357?

for SD "I" would'nt feel out gunned with a .38, it has no problems killing someone. but i prefer 9mm since it's cheaper and i feel is one of the best balances of firepower and recoil.

Thunderhawk88 · Dec 14, 2007

The vast majority of the time it's my Taurus 85 with .38 JHP you'll find on my belt, and I never feel outgunned.

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