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I've twice found a half hour to take my new 809 to a local indoor range for a half hour. At this point I've got 200-300 rounds through it and every round has fired and extracted with the exception of 1 casing that got hung up. I'm not really worried about it though since I was shooting through some reloads that were pretty dirty and seemed to have a fair inconsistency in their charge.

But what really bothered me were how many casings hit me SQUARE in the forehead! Plus one that found its way down the back of my shirt... OUCH! So I got to thinking about the factors that may affect the flight path of extracting brass and figured I'd post here in the Smithing arena. So, for the smartest gun forum members on the planet, what are the factors and are any of them within my control? We've all seen how different semi-auto firearms produce vastly different patterns and paths so I figured it an interesting questions. Obviously I'd like to see if there's anything I can try to do with my 809 prior to sending it to Miami.

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Off the top of my head, and I'm no smith, extractor tension and design, ejection port design (lots of 1911's have them flared and lowered for example) spring tension.... Just my initial quick thoughts. Curious to see what others say.
 
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Don't know myself, but, I'll be watching this thread. My 1911 seems to love flinging brass every direction. Even had a piece stand at attention on bill of my cap once, also can throw 'em amazing distances, I think 20 feet is the current record.
 

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Yeah, Wolf. I've seen all kinds of things. I've even seen a 9mm, I think it was a CZ, that could damn near put them all in a coffee can if youplaced it just right. But the sure as heck weren't blasting the shooter in the forehead!

I love asking a through-provoking question on this forum! :cool:
 

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first i would have someone else shoot it and see if extracted cases fly the same, if not, it is you the way you are gripping the pistol and control of the pistol through recoil. other than extractor (tension of extractor) pulling empty case into ejector to throw case out of pistol there's not much else. it is possible the opening in slide would need opened up,but that could be difficult to know for sure.
 

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My PT809 does the same thing. I've noticed that gripping it tighter seems to help a bit, but i can still feel them graze my hair often. Mine only throws the brass at most 2 feet from me, and you never know which direction it will go. My PT140 Pro throws it a good 10 feet and they all land in a 2'x2' area.
 

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also can throw 'em amazing distances, I think 20 feet is the current record.
You want to talk about distance records watch me shoot my AK. I'm usually able to collect all of my spent casings but I swear that thing throws half of what I put through it into the next county.
 

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I know for a fact, the ejector can affect the direction of ejection. My PT145 ejected forward and to the right. I tweaked it a little to the left, and it ejects as it should. To the right, and not forward.
 

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My wife's PT 738 likes to throw them almost straight up and come down on the top of my head most of the time.
So the scalphunter has become the hunted? :eek:

Sorry I just couldn't resist.
 
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I got my 24/7 compact back with a new extractor. The shells all go off to the right.
 

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I do remember someone here sending their pistol back to MIA several months ago for the same issue, but I cannot remember the forum member or the pistol. Maybe they will happen along.
 

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My PT840 does that...one time I caught one square in the forehead that seamed to hurt more than others - when I went to the restroom after shooting I saw I had a neat half-moon cut with dried blood all over my forehead. Guess I thought it was sweat.
 

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Smokewagon you mentioned that you tweaked your ejector to make it throw the brass out the way you wanted it to go. How did you do it?
 

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Length of Ejector has a lot to do with how a cartridge ejects or the amount of force, and when in the ejection cycle the cartridge is ejected. A slightly shorter ejector should throw more to the side. Also, the channel in the bolt usually has a little clearance and if you tweak the ejector a little to the left, it should throw more to the right. We aren't talking big tweaking here folks, just a hundredth if that much, and a little more upwards for less height.

Look at how your extractor is griping the cartridge rim and where the location of the ejector is in relation to the extractor and it should be evident which direction your tweaking should be done.
 

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Smokewagon you mentioned that you tweaked your ejector to make it throw the brass out the way you wanted it to go. How did you do it?
My ejector visibly leaned a little more center. I pushed it left, which apparently bent it, but not really enough to notice. Like Jake said, probably a 100th, if that much. Don't get carried away, or you will create more of a problem than you start with.
 

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Does the PT809 have an ejector? I can't see it listed in the manual. Is it built into the frame?
It is attached to the frame.
 

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So I guess you can't tweak it like Smokewagon mentioned?

I guess my PT809 has stopped shooting me with brass, with enough use. Maybe wearing in is all the OP needs.
 

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So I guess you can't tweak it like Smokewagon mentioned?

I guess my PT809 has stopped shooting me with brass, with enough use. Maybe wearing in is all the OP needs.
All ejectors are attached to the frame or at least have to interact with the frame, and yes you should be able to tweak it, although with you asking that question, you should find a good gun smith if you don't have a good understanding of ejectors.
 
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