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Don't turn this into a political discussion, do that in the politics section. This is just a request for people to make themselves heard.

Deadline is Jan 25th act fast.

Link to Gun Owners of America that talks about new the proposed change. https://gunowners.org/alert1102018.htm

Please take the time to make a polite comment that you are against the idea of redefining the definition of what a machine gun is. When the general public took the time to speak up about outlawing 5.56 ammo it worked and the ATF dropped it. No reason the same can't happen here.

Warning: They do ask for your information on the ATF form, don't be paranoid and let this scare you away. Make your voice be heard.

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...stocks-and-other-similar-devices#open-comment
 

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The current proposed change would be and any device that increases the rate of fire. That is pretty vague. Using a belt loop to bump fire a gun makes it a machine gun. Putting in a lighter trigger could in theory make it a machine gun. This could essentially lead to a complete ban on semi autos once they determine a finger is a device.
 

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This would definitely be the way they would go about regulating it. The interesting thing is, I'd venture to imagine that there are millions more bump fire stocks out there than actual machine guns, so this will effectively act as a registration tool for the government for a sizeable portion of AR and AK owners.
 

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This would definitely be the way they would go about regulating it. The interesting thing is, I'd venture to imagine that there are millions more bump fire stocks out there than actual machine guns, so this will effectively act as a registration tool for the government for a sizeable portion of AR and AK owners.
I spoke to the fact that I have successfully bump-fired my Winchester Model 74 a few times and asked if fingers would fit into this redefining of "machine gun"
 
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What cracks me up is that I do know what a fully automatic weapon is but I never knew that the term machinegun was a real thing, outside the Elliot Ness TV shows. What does machinegun mean anyway?
 

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Apparently they are having issues keeping up with the comments:

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Done.

Apparently they have not seen Tim of Military Arms Channel, bump fire, no mechanical aid, an AK! Go to about the 4:40 mark. Or of course watch the entire video if the subject interests you.

 

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So if you use an exercise ball for your hand, that then becomes a machine gun? REALLY?
 
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Alright, so I took the time to write a comment on proposition. The comment is as follows;

Tuco Remírez said:
I am opposed to the proposed rule that "Bump Fire Stocks and Other Similar Devices" are to fall under the category of Machinegun (Docket Number: 2017R-22) on the grounds that not only are Bump Fire Stocks an aftermarket peripheral rather than a part of the firearm itself which does absolutely nothing on its own, ergo it is utterly ridiculous that any firearm with such a peripheral affixed to it may be seized in the event in which Bump Fire Stocks fall under the category of Machinegun, but also because the definition of a device which “shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” is far too vague and therefore potentially far-reaching to be acceptable as is.

If such a proposed rule is to even be considered, then it ought to be changed so that it no longer threatens those who may already own a Bump Fire Stock which has been affixed to one of their firearms with the possibility that said firearm may be seized without compensation when the peripheral could be seized individually by simply detatching it from the firearm. Furthermore, the definition of that which will be considered a device which “shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” ought to be far more descriptive of what these "Other Similar Devices" may be so that both that which is and is not considered to be "Similar Devices" are clearly defined and therefore bound by the limitations of said definition.
Thoughts, comments, or feedback would be appreciated.
 

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That is just another way to erode the 2nd so that they can have more control ! What happened in Vegas was a tragedy but almost as much killing could have been done without the bump fire stock ! He had them in a barrel and really did not have to aim just point and pull. Something still stinks about what happened there and we will probably never know the whole story about what happened. This is just more "feel good" legislation for them to make the uninformed think that they can actually stop something like that !
 

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That is just another way to erode the 2nd so that they can have more control ! What happened in Vegas was a tragedy but almost as much killing could have been done without the bump fire stock ! He had them in a barrel and really did not have to aim just point and pull. Something still stinks about what happened there and we will probably never know the whole story about what happened. This is just more "feel good" legislation for them to make the uninformed think that they can actually stop something like that !
I find it absolutely deplorable how certain folks essentially use the bodies of the dead as a soap box to push their social/political agendas.

Folks really ought to be able to recognize such callous behavior as the desperate attempt at mass manipulation that it is.
 

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Done...I said that we already have enough laws and regulation infringing on our constitutional rights.
 

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The current proposed change would be and any device that increases the rate of fire. That is pretty vague. Using a belt loop to bump fire a gun makes it a machine gun. Putting in a lighter trigger could in theory make it a machine gun. This could essentially lead to a complete ban on semi autos once they determine a finger is a device.
It is extremely vague! And, when did “machine gun” enter into the legalize terminology? I truly thought that the fire control (full auto-vs-burst-vs-semiauto) was what defined NFA items for civilian market.

As noted by yourself “anything that increases rate of fire” ain’t good. What if someone just plain out was a quick shooter . . . . If they pursue this route can anyone guess what would a likely next idea be to entertained? Tensioned and reshaped sear, etc could make the firing rate to be “governered”? Maybe not only 10 round mags be the max legal but max firing rate of 1 shot every 1.5-2 seconds . . . . .
 

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Only a couple of days left. leave a comment if have not already done so. Remember be polite.
 
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