[HUD]

Hello,

I recently came into a lot of 3" 410 from a friend. It's mixed lot and older. The person who gave it to me didn't know there were two types. Anyway. Since I can't take it back and don't have a way to shoot 3" shells, is it possible to fire cut down shells or are 3" shells hotter and would make it unsafe?

Thanks

 

[maloy]

No don't mess with them and trade them off if you can.

Maloy

 

[Bamabowtie]

Define "a lot". If it's at least a half a box, that sounds like a good reason to buy a new shotgun!

But on a serious note, don't try to shoot them in your Judge.

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[jtg452]

Hello,

I recently came into a lot of 3" 410 from a friend. It's mixed lot and older. The person who gave it to me didn't know there were two types. Anyway. Since I can't take it back and don't have a way to shoot 3" shells, is it possible to fire cut down shells or are 3" shells hotter and would make it unsafe?

Thanks

No.

But you can cut them down, toss the wads and powder, reuse the shot and load with w/ 2 1/2" data.

 

[shaner]

Agreed use the components. Shot and even the wads if you trim them down. Up to you if you know what powder he used.

No.

But you can cut them down, toss the wads and powder, reuse the shot and load with w/ 2 1/2" data.

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[jtg452]

Agreed use the components. Shot and even the wads if you trim them down. Up to you if you know what powder he used.

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Powder's suspect unless I'M the one that put it in there.

Factories have powders not available to the consumer market and it's not like the powders that are available are color coded or something.

You can figure out what type it is and make a guess but that doesn't sound like a successful or healthy life choice to me.

 

[shaner]

I agree I guess I missed that they are factory new shells.. if that's the case you should be able to trade them fairly easy

Powder's suspect unless I'M the one that put it in there.

Factories have powders not available to the consumer market and it's not like the powders that are available are color coded or something.

You can figure out what type it is and make a guess but that doesn't sound like a successful or healthy life choice to me.

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[jtg452]

Reloads are suspect until the reloader has proven to be otherwis.

 

[SirLSD]

people say no but I do it. 45 colt is 14,000 PSI, 410 2.5 inch is 12,500 PSI 3 inch is 13,500 PSI. cut the crimp and redo a roll crimp with card and glue in place. works just fine as long as it stays in place under recoil forces. the 5 pellet 000 bucks squished a bit or the PDX1 with a fe bb's out work great.

 

[230JHP]

Ah, the internet. Gotta love it. Since the thread was from almost 6 months ago, hopefully whatever is done is done.

Wonder what gluing the card in place does to the pressure spike?

5 pellet '000' bucks 'squished a bit'? Like, about a half inch's worth of squish? That's likely not the pellets squishing as much as it's the wad.

Especially if the stuff your friend gave you was factory ammo, trade it off to someone who has a 3" chamber. Even if you make a 3:2 swap (or even a 2:1 swap) you're still ahead, and don't have to worry about getting the nickname, 'Lefty'.

 

[SirLSD]

5 pellet '000' bucks 'squished a bit'? Like, about a half inch's worth of squish?

if you actually put a 5 pellet 000 buck into a 2.5 inch judge cylinder you will see it only sticks out less than an eighth on an inch. you can mark it with a pen, cut the plastic, remove the 5 pellets and then tap a small flat spot on the top and bottom of each and restack the 5 pellets in the shell. it doesn't take much of a flat spot on each pellet to shorten the shot column an eighth of an inch. the pellet get flat spots naturally when fired anyway and flatten out a lot

 

[jtg452]

if you actually put a 5 pellet 000 buck into a 2.5 inch judge cylinder you will see it only sticks out less than an eighth on an inch. you can mark it with a pen, cut the plastic, remove the 5 pellets and then tap a small flat spot on the top and bottom of each and restack the 5 pellets in the shell. it doesn't take much of a flat spot on each pellet to shorten the shot column an eighth of an inch. the pellet get flat spots naturally when fired anyway and flatten out a lot

And what does that lost 1/8" do to the pressures in the load? You know, since you just removed a percentage of the total volume of the case and crammed everything back into it. And are now condoning doing the same action on an open forum on the internet.

Does not sound like a healthy life choice to me. But it does sound like a great way to screw up a perfectly good gun and, maybe, get to ride in an ambulance, too!

 

[Fredward]

My friend Lefty used to do it! ! No, it's a seriously bad idea. Like the guy who claims he can reload 100 shells in the time it takes to smoke a cigarette. Some risks are not worth it.