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https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/CPL_Annual_Report_01-04-2018_611131_7.pdf

The above report on statistics relating to CPL holders is probably of interest only to those of us who live in Michigan, but I draw some conclusions that are most likely of wider significance.
Out of roughly 1/2 million CPL holders in Michigan there were more than 2,000 convictions for crimes. That rate is higher than I expected. Now, it's still indicative of an awfully law-abiding group with a crime rate of ~0.4%, but it is higher than I expected.

Anyway, I found it interesting reading.
 

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Yeah, well, I have evil thoughts too.
You need to stop reading articles on Facebook........:p
 
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Interesting. I wonder if multiple convictions could have been attributed to any individuals. That would bring down the percentage.
 

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We may be missing a key factor. Carrying a weapon is very attractive to nefarious characters. Although the majority are folks like you and me, many have an ulterior motive. It's not surprising at all to me.
 

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https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/CPL_Annual_Report_01-04-2018_611131_7.pdf

The above report on statistics relating to CPL holders is probably of interest only to those of us who live in Michigan, but I draw some conclusions that are most likely of wider significance.
Out of roughly 1/2 million CPL holders in Michigan there were more than 2,000 convictions for crimes. That rate is higher than I expected. Now, it's still indicative of an awfully law-abiding group with a crime rate of ~0.4%, but it is higher than I expected.

Anyway, I found it interesting reading.
I'd be careful about drawing conclusions just from one set of raw numbers. An anti gun group once listed all the Ohio concealed carry license holders who have allegedly committed crimes (any crime at all whether it was related to a gun or not) in an attempt to portray licensed concealed carry as bad. What they didn't state (IMO on purpose) to state was

A: the actual small percentage of those people compared to CHL holders who haven't been accused of a crime, and

B: when someone looked into the number of law enforcement officers in Ohio using the same standard as the anti gun group used, the numbers were actually slightly higher than the civilian CHL holders, even though the percentage was still very small. If you strictly looked at the numbers, you might conclude that CHL holders are more law abiding than the police.
 

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Interest that more were issued and received by 279.
 

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Interesting. I wonder if multiple convictions could have been attributed to any individuals. That would bring down the percentage.
There may be some double-counting. Notice on page 11, there's a bunch of "Firearms" offenses, including carrying a concealed weapon. How is that possible if the person had a permit? Not a lot of numbers there but still, it raises questions.
 

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I noticed some motor vehicle, traffic offenses included in the convictions. I stopped there. Seems they include everything major and very minor. Gets the stats they want.
 
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https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/CPL_Annual_Report_01-04-2018_611131_7.pdf

The above report on statistics relating to CPL holders is probably of interest only to those of us who live in Michigan, but I draw some conclusions that are most likely of wider significance.
Out of roughly 1/2 million CPL holders in Michigan there were more than 2,000 convictions for crimes. That rate is higher than I expected. Now, it's still indicative of an awfully law-abiding group with a crime rate of ~0.4%, but it is higher than I expected.

Anyway, I found it interesting reading.
Must be something in Michigan because, nationally, concealed carriers are more law abiding than law enforcement.

You might want to head over to Dr Lott's site, https://crimeresearch.org/ , and take a look at the numbers from other states and nationally. In some states like Texas and Florida, LEO's are about 6 times more likely to commit a crime than concealed carriers.
 

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Interesting. I wonder if multiple convictions could have been attributed to any individuals. That would bring down the percentage.
Good question. I don't know the answer, but it seems likely.
 

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There may be some double-counting. Notice on page 11, there's a bunch of "Firearms" offenses, including carrying a concealed weapon. How is that possible if the person had a permit? Not a lot of numbers there but still, it raises questions.
Michigan has a Concealed Pistol License. Could have been a not-pistol weapon.
 

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So I am well aware of how good these numbers really are, CPL holders are better than average. But still, not quite as good as I expected. That's more a comment on my expectations. I realize that the country would be in darn good shape if the population as a whole reflected these statistics. I just wish we could do even better.
 

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. If you strictly looked at the numbers, you might conclude that CHL holders are more law abiding than the police.
Statistically speaking (Nationwide) there was another study besides the one linked to Dr.Lott that showed just that (though likely the sources of info are the same)....I'll try and see if I can find it.
 

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There may be some double-counting. Notice on page 11, there's a bunch of "Firearms" offenses, including carrying a concealed weapon. How is that possible if the person had a permit? Not a lot of numbers there but still, it raises questions.
Can't speak to the specific laws in MI but some states the permit only covers handguns and not other weapons


*edit: MadKaw noted this is the case with MI permits
 

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Can't speak to the specific laws in MI but some states the permit only covers handguns and not other weapons


*edit: MadKaw noted this is the case with MI permits
Well, I wouldn’t get too worked up over madKaw’s cypherin’ lately; he’s just going through a phase - in case ya hadn’t noticed his recent avatar . . .

An all ‘em cave drawings he’s got in his Sig . . . . well, you know, it releases the stress
 
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