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Lets hear your stories concerning contact with Law Enforcement Officers while you were carrying. Open or concealed, whatever your state allows. Traffic stops or whatever other type encounter.

This is just to see what kind of attitudes about armed citizenry have been encountered.

My contacts have only been locally and with a Judge, and most of them are social anyway. None of them really seem to worry about someone who is carrying within the law.

So...What's your story? Were you treated well or not? :thumb:
 

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I have been stopped on the highways 3 times in the years that I have been licensed. Keep in mind that I haven't had a traffic ticket since 1996 (and only two in my life for any traffic violation and both were speeding). Each time I was stopped I noticed a change in attitude once I told them I was licensed and told them where the gun was (none asked to see it). Each time I was honestly traveling over the posted speed limit but I was never ticketed (once was given a 'warning'). I firmly believe that it was due to being licensed to carry. One highway patrolman in particular had an attitude, at first, until I pulled out the CHL.
 

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Looks like we got just one outlaw in this whole group. :devil:
 

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Good topic Smokewagon. I would like to hear the feedback, too.

If I ever were to be stopped, I think it would be wise to say "Officer, for my own personal safety I am providing you with my CCW permit and want you to know I have a handgun under my shirt. In what manner would you like me to cooperate with you?"
 

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VegasGuy said:
Good topic Smokewagon. I would like to hear the feedback, too.
Since you're in Las Vegas, I'd appreciate it if you'd tell me about concealed carry in Las Vegas Hotels/Casinos. Are many of them posted with "Firearms Not Allowed" signs. I live in Arizona but I go to Vegas a lot. I have both Arizona and Utah CCW Permits. The Utah permit is now recognized in Nevada. (Since October 1st, 2007.)
 

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Since you're in Las Vegas, I'd appreciate it if you'd tell me about concealed carry in Las Vegas Hotels/Casinos.
For the past three months I have intentionally been looking for signs on business doors that say "No Guns Allowed" and have yet to see one. Vegas hotels, casinos and other businesses are all legal to carry concealed (unless otherwise posted). If you do carry into a posted business, it is a $25 misdemeanor trespassing charge equivalent to a traffic violation. I can tell you that people who have their CCW ignore the signs and carry anyway. On the outside chance they do get made, they would rather pay the $25 than leave their gun in the car. In most cases you would simply be asked to leave.

You cannot carry in most (all?) government buildings. The government buildings do have signs posted. We have a big gun show several times a year in a city building with signs posted saying no loaded guns. I would bet a thousand to one odds there are people who ignore the signs when they go to the gun show.

Vegas considers bars to be public nuisances because of the likelihood of a fight among patrons. If you carry into a bar and subsequently get into a fight and then use your gun to "defend" yourself, you are still going to be in a heap of trouble. Their attitude is bars fights are a foreseeable event that can easily be avoided by simply not carrying concealed while in them, or don't go in at all. Your claim that you were only defending yourself is not going to carry much weight. Everyone already knows that drunks often get violent.

If you go into a place that has a bar, and tables or booths for eating food, sit in the booth or at a table. Do not sit at the bar. For some reason they make a distinction between the two areas. And for what it is worth, I have lived in Vegas for nine years and have never seen a fight break out in a casino, bar or neighborhood pub.
 

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Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it! It's pretty much what I expected but hearing it from a Vegas resident is great. My next trip is on Jan 15th and I'll be staying a the Golden Nugget downtown. I like the strip but Fremont street and the whole downtown is a lot of fun.
 

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I have yet to be stopped while carrying. My understanding is that in my state of Texas, and in many others, you are required to tell the officer you have a CHL, whether you are armed or not.

always plan to say as I hand over my license, I'm a CHL holder. Here's my license. I'm armed today. What would you like me to do?
 

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Have not been pulled over yet.

When I went through CCW training here in Missouri, two county officers did the training. We have a choice to either have the CCW printed on our drivers license or get a seperate ID card.

I asked the officers what I should do when pulled over. They stated that normally the license plates would be ran before going up to the vehicle. They would know if the owner has a CCW permit. They both stated that they are alot more comfortable when they pull someone over with the CCW as they know they went through a recent background check.

They told me that when they pull someone over for a traffic violation that it is not an issue.
 

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They stated that normally the license plates would be ran before going up to the vehicle.
Yup,... your right muttmutt... they already have us MADE before they walk up to the car... I give both Drivers License & CCW I.D. to the LEO's right off... They don't have to ask...
 

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in my state (ohio) if you dont tell the cop you have a license for CC, it's a crime.. felony iirc.
 

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I have two stories to share. First was about 4 months ago, I had to go to Ludington at 1 in the morning because my mother in law went to the hospital. I had to go downtown to get Aunt Tammy from the Crows Nest bar, I was dead sober, and had an officer stop me walking, as I had parked my bike down the block. He asks me what I'm doing, and knowing the law, I first tell him that I have a CPL, and that I am carrying. That's when his attitude started. Butch cut military lookin' youngin', and he had a 'tude, asking me why I'm carrying a gun downtown at 1 in the morning. Ummm, because I CAN?!?!? Tried to give me a breathalizer, "I said I haven't touched a drop", he calls in backup, and there we all are. I have NO problem with a cop doing his job, and I have mad respect for them. But don't treat me like a criminal because it's 1 am, I'm OBVIOUSLY sober. Anyways, he takes my gun while they run all my info, find out I'm legal, and they figured out I was sober.

Second story. On my bike headed North to Traverse City, beautiful sunny day, and I'm doin' what looks like almost 90 on the speedo. I see an officer on the road coming at me, and I pull over before he even gets to the shoulder to turn around to get to where I'm at. By the time he gets there, I've got my helmet off, smoking a cigarette. I tell him first, that I have a CPL and I am carrying, what would he like me to do. I hand him drivers and CPL, and he tells me to keep it holstered. When he asks me if I know how fast I was going and why, I told him the truth. Beautiful day, AWESOME bike, and I just passed cars in a passing lane, and I think I was going around 90. He goes to his car, comes back, tells me how he appreciates the way I approached the CPL thing, the fact that I pulled over before he even hit his lights or got off the road to turn around, we talk about my bike, and he lets me go. AFTER he told me he clocked me doing 76.

Two different officers, two different experiences. To all the officers, I appreciate you being professional and not letting your badge be your power trip, and have a HUGE amount of respect for what you do, be safe.
 

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From these posts, it appears how to handle disclosure of you CCW varies from state to state. In my Nevada CFP class, taught by an active duty LEO, he said to tell an officer right away about your permit because they DON'T get that information when running your plate. I was a bit surprised to hear that because it contradicted what my neighbor told me.

Also, I just received my non-resident Utah CFP. The accompanying letter contains several bullet points, one of them stating, "When a concealed firearm permit holder has a concealed firearm in his/her possession and is stopped by a police officer, the concealed firearm permit holder shall advise the police officer as soon as possible."

It sounds like it would be wise to check state laws prior to traveling to see how to handle the situation.
 

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VegasGuy said:
From these posts, it appears how to handle disclosure of you CCW varies from state to state. In my Nevada CFP class, taught by an active duty LEO, he said to tell an officer right away about your permit because they DON'T get that information when running your plate. I was a bit surprised to hear that because it contradicted what my neighbor told me.

Also, I just received my non-resident Utah CFP. The accompanying letter contains several bullet points, one of them stating, "When a concealed firearm permit holder has a concealed firearm in his/her possession and is stopped by a police officer, the concealed firearm permit holder shall advise the police officer as soon as possible."

It sounds like it would be wise to check state laws prior to traveling to see how to handle the situation.

In Michigan, they know as soon as they run your plates, but you're still required by law to disclose that you have a CPL as soon as an officer comes in contact with you whether you're carrying or not. All this was covered in our CPL course, and I'd imagine that it would be the same in any state.
 

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In Michigan, they know as soon as they run your plates, but you're still required by law to disclose that you have a CPL as soon as an officer comes in contact with you whether you're carrying or not. All this was covered in our CPL course, and I'd imagine that it would be the same in any state.
Texas CHL is not linked to vehicle registration, only your DL. What happens to the folks driving your car that do not have a concealed permit or gun? Is everyone driving your vehicle considered carrying? :???:
 

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Have not been stopped when I had one for VA and now in WA I got a ticket right after I got here and didnt have my WA permit yet so I dont know if it would have come up on running the plates. And since they didnt even run my plates right away it would be hard to tell.

You all need to make sure that you look into the laws for yoru state. VA required me to tell a officer if I got pulled over. WA does not unless asked. Also no offence to any LEO's here but it tends to depend on there mood. As is allways the case the laws can be subject to a persons attitude while he/she is enforcing them. Also lots of times officers dont know all the laws or the full extent of the laws. Some do most dont atleast in my experience knowing several and dealing with more.
 

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Also, I just received my non-resident Utah CFP.
Congrats on your Utah CFP. That opens up a lot of states where your Nevada CWP is not recognized. As I mentioned to you before I have a resident Arizona CWP and a Utah CFP. (Also, a good combination.) Like many people, I tend to use the generic CCW (carry concealed weapon) instead of the more specific CFP (Concealed Firearms Permit) or CWP (Carry Concealed Weapon). The Arizona CWP is a true concealed weapon permit (not just firearms). I can carry any legal weapon concealed. This covers any legal knife of any size, etc.

Anyway, I'd like to thank you again with answers to my questions about Las Vegas and I'm posting a link that is very helpful to see where single or multiple permits are recognized. I hope that you and others find this helpful. I know I was glad to find it.

http://usacarry.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=38
 

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I have ben stopped once my car was exspired and Idident hav any paper work when the cop pulled me over igave him all my information cc permit and drl when he came back all he gave me was a worning but the officers are a little weird her in tooele ut Ihave ben stopped a couple of times when someone tried to still my car when Itold them I carred and gave them my cc permit they told they dident need it and was kind of cold about it its almost like they dident care that I was carring
 

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I'm a trapper and just last week I was out checking my traps on a old one lane country road and one of the county sherrifs seen me and stopped me. He asked, what I was doing and asked if I had permission to be there and asked for identification. I handed him my ID and also told him, just so he was aware, that I was carring a fire arm on my hip. He just reply, ok, appreciate it! He went back, ran my ID and tags. Came back and asked me for my trapping liscense. And just stated, that he was just checking on me, because it is a old road, with no houses, and I guess they get alot of younger kids back there partying it up and smoking the hippy lettuce! He said, free to go and never asked to see the fire arm.

He was very cool about it the whole time. Never giving me a attitude. This was at 6 a.m.
 
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