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“The only thing worse than having to explain why you have to prepare for a threat is why you didn’t,” said Huggins.

To that I say, amen.

 

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Personal opinion but any leader in any place that routinely on a set time table has gatherings of people should consider this.
the old turn the other cheek will now days get you shot in that cheek, better be prepared to protect yourself and those that you care about--but then what do I know I am a savage.
 

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As the resident Pagan I say Good for them. If practicing your beliefs is freedom, then being in fear to practice them cannot be accepted.
 

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Personal opinion but any leader in any place that routinely on a set time table has gatherings of people should consider this.
the old turn the other cheek will now days get you shot in that cheek, better be prepared to protect yourself and those that you care about--but then what do I know I am a savage.
Well you just aren't paying attention! Don't you know we got a demotion, ol' uncle Joe says were are the "dregs of society'!
 

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Personal opinion but any leader in any place that routinely on a set time table has gatherings of people should consider this.
the old turn the other cheek will now days get you shot in that cheek, better be prepared to protect yourself and those that you care about--but then what do I know I am a savage.
Well, then I guess your not the only one.
 

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A lot of churches here have Security Teams but although our church has commissioned security officers that train together, the church really has no plan in case of an actual incident. So far, we haven't had any issues but the plan would be nice. We are trying get the local police to work with us, but they regard Security Teams as a joke. We are trying to prove them wrong. Coordination would be critical so working together is essential.

As for turning the other cheek, the Lord authorized our being armed to "protect the flock" from evil in this world. Turning the other cheek doesn't come into play here.
 

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A lot of churches here have Security Teams but although our church has commissioned security officers that train together, the church really has no plan in case of an actual incident. So far, we haven't had any issues but the plan would be nice. We are trying get the local police to work with us, but they regard Security Teams as a joke. We are trying to prove them wrong. Coordination would be critical so working together is essential.

As for turning the other cheek, the Lord authorized our being armed to "protect the flock" from evil in this world. Turning the other cheek doesn't come into play here.
ahh absolutely so!
things have a way of really coming unwound when the SHTF--did I mention that I was at the Olympic Park Bombing back in 1996???
and we all practiced and planned for several months prior to that.
 
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did we meet when I was doing the stunts in the two John Wyck movies???
Might have been at the convention in 2016. I was dressed as a princess.
 
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We start in classes in June 50 hrs.
Are you training for an Armed Security Officer Commission? If so, Level 3 or Level 4?

I have both in Texas and just renewed for another 2 years. Our teams do scenario training and force-on-force monthly in the church. Our trainer is a director of security and training at work and has extensive experience here and abroad on security matters and services. I wish we did this training weekly until we are a well-oiled machine; that won't happen because most of the guys are heavily involved with their families and kid's baseball, soccer, football, you name it. Priorities are elsewhere.
 
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Even the disciples carried swords to protect themselves and their rabbi. 'Turn the other cheek' isn't an a commandment to let yourself be killed.

Going beyond the threat of a terrorist attack, I'm surprised no bad guy has figured out that most churches have an almost rigid routine in collecting and dealing with offerings at every service.

Most churches find the ongoing training and insurance requirements associated with a formal security program fairly daunting and prohibitively expensive.
 

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Even the disciples carried swords to protect themselves and their rabbi. 'Turn the other cheek' isn't an a commandment to let yourself be killed.

Going beyond the threat of a terrorist attack, I'm surprised no bad guy has figured out that most churches have an almost rigid routine in collecting and dealing with offerings at every service.

Most churches find the ongoing training and insurance requirements associated with a formal security program fairly daunting and prohibitively expensive.

I guess it depends on the size of the church but in the late eighties to early nineties I did armed security guard work along with another guard at a church. The stated purpose of us being there was to direct traffic after services let out (it was a huge church with a huge parking lot) but also to guard the lot during services. One of our side jobs however was to go to the church office and stand by while the collection money was taken into the office, counted, and transported to another location. Some of the ushers were armed off duty cops. There was a LOT of cash in those plates. Since it was the same time every day if someone had wanted to break into a car all they would've had to do was wait 'till collection time. :rolleyes:

Also in addition to this the agency guarded the yearly Catholic festivals where gambling was going on. There were a lot of armed guards at that time, including one assigned inside the main office and another just outside the door to it at all times. And of course when the money was taken to the bank it got an armed escort also. There was a lot of money taken in with the gambling, bags and bags of cash. There was so much cash some of the people in the back seat of the cash car had to hold a bag on their laps because the trunk was full, and this was a full size eighties car.

On one occasion at the end of the day we had what was possibly a robbery attempt. Can't say for sure because a car with 4 people that was parked close by suddenly drove in front of the parking lot exit and stopped in front of the money car as it tried to enter the street. The guy in the front passenger side made a stop motion with his left hand, but kept his right hand hidden. No ones hands were visible. It appeared to be a robbery but no one displayed guns in the few seconds they were there. I barely had time to take cover and draw my handgun before they took off. I wasn't the only one that pointed guns at them either. My supervisor at the time was a retired SWAT cop, was there, and he thought it was a robbery. The guy driving the car was one of the church officials (no guards were in the car) and someone in the back seat was yelling at him to back up but the guy just froze. :(
 

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Might have been at the convention in 2016. I was dressed as a princess.

ahhh!! Ok, umm, I didn't happen to kiss you on the back of the head did I?
I am thinking of running for office and need to know ahead of time.
 
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