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Handgun: Rossi M68 38 Spl 1-7/8” barrel
Ammunition: CCI/Speer Lawman 125gr 38 Spl +P SJHP

Having had a fever for a couple weeks and finally securing the doctor’s permission to get out of the house for a bit, I did what most any red-blooded American shooter would do: I went to the gunstore and secured some ammunition that I had been curious about.


This is what grabbed my attention. I wasn’t aware that CCI/Speer markets hollowpoints under the Lawman name, and it turns out they don’t… anymore.

Of course I had to test it…


My standard setup…


… and the four layers of denim on the front of the first jug.


Here’s the shot. Look at that… from a snub 38.

To say that this ammunition is energetic is a bit of an understatement. Though not a .454 by any means, it felt like a heavy 357 Magnum from a 4” K frame S&W. If I want to shoot many more of these, I will buy a gun that can handle it. I don’t see how carrying them for defense would hurt however.


Here is the denim where it landed. The bullet went through a seam as well. The cricket’s cameo was not my idea.


The damage is what I’ve come to expect from 9mm loads, not 38 Spl. The first jug was shredded.


As was the second jug…


And the third jug was hit hard.


The bullet finally stopped in the fifth jug, after trying to exit it as well.


Denim was found in every jug except the last. It seems the bullet was not too impressed by it as it did its job regardless.


Final results…


And a closeup of an unfired bullet. This is the same hexagonal hollowpoint that I’ve found in old-style, pre-Golden Saber Remington hollowpoint 9mm.

Overall, I’m very impressed. However, I truly don’t know if I’ll carry this. There is newer fodder out there and I’m not sure if this ammunition is truly “just” +P or if it’s something above and beyond. At any rate, I’m guessing it’s really pushing the “+P” designation. It would be interesting to see what the true pressures are compared to today’s +P ammunition.

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Hi, yes. I have some 88gr CCI Blazer hollowpoints which look suspiciously like Gold Dots without the "gold dot." I'm also looking to get my hands on some Golden Saber 102gr.

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Would you by chance have any of the Remington 88gr HP. I am planning on using these for a home defense gun and wanted to see just how good they are. If not would you test them if I sent some to you?
 

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I do not have any; let me see if I can find some locally. If I can't, then I'll let you know.

FWIW, from others' tests, I'd use (and do use) WWB WinClean or similar hardball with a flat front in this caliber. I do not trust this caliber in the penetration department.

Though I don't see the load listed, you might check out Steve's pages at http://stevespages.com/page8f380acp.html in the meantime.

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Joshua M. Smith said:
I do not have any; let me see if I can find some locally. If I can't, then I'll let you know.

FWIW, from others' tests, I'd use (and do use) WWB WinClean or similar hardball with a flat front in this caliber. I do not trust this caliber in the penetration department.

Though I don't see the load listed, you might check out Steve's pages at http://stevespages.com/page8f380acp.html in the meantime.

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Thanks for the link
 
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