Ok, I can agree with the LEO, about it confusing the situation. However, I personally would not want to be the one with a gun, and ability to use it that let people die, so I could survive, or not get legally entangled over the shooting. There are things you can do after the shooting to make sure your not shoot by the arriving LE. I know the course I am taking, and the later follow up I plan to take give you insight as to how to handle it, and there have been earlier discussions on the subject here on this forum.high5apparatus said:This comment caught my eye, from someone who says they are LE:
So, do what he says. In the minutes it takes the police to respond (and this particular shooting was over by then), just dodge the bullets and hope for the best. If you don't, the police might kill you when they finally arrive, thinking you are the shooter.
i'll take my chances, i'd rather be shot in the chest then shot in the back.high5apparatus said:So, do what he says. In the minutes it takes the police to respond (and this particular shooting was over by then), just dodge the bullets and hope for the best. If you don't, the police might kill you when they finally arrive, thinking you are the shooter.
That's a very good point. You don't hear people shooting up police stationsn either.Dennis2477 said:One thing I think most people overlook when discussing guns on campus, or any other "gun free zone", is that it is the lack of people's ability to fight back that draws these nut jobs to open fire. If students had been permitted to be armed at Virginia Tech or NIU, do you think these guys would have gone there to shoot? Think about it. Armed citizens, even the chance that someone may be armed, is an obvious deterrent to this type of activity. You don't hear of mass shootings at gun shows, do you?
Just food for thought.
welcome to the logic of the anti's, this is exactly their argument that the more guns that are accessible the more likely to be violence and crime.dcicero said:i am torn on this notion. people are dependent on things by nature (or we have been conditioned to be that way). in our society, a thing is introduced and the majority of people who do accept this thing begin to rely on it, training thier reason to make it a tool for use. if its a behavior, many people train thier reason to make it habitual. and the more people that accept it, the more people are willing to openely rely on it. i fear that if many people are carrying guns on a college campus then deadly force will become a more and more common response to decreasingly serious situations. a common argument at the cafeteria line, which before would result in embarrasment and maybe a fist fight, is now potentially a deadly situation. now, i dont have THE answer but im not sure that legalizing gun carrying on college campus is the right answer.
Your statements come across like you believe people, even well intentioned law abiding people, are unable to control themselves. Therefore the government needs to put controls upon them for their own protection and the protection of society. Is that the essence of your statements?dcicero said:the average citizen would be more likely to rely on his weapon in a broader range of situations . . . mass accepted behavior becomes habit and eventually is performed mainly without being filtered through reason.
i understood your argument perfectly, if people carry a gun they'll find an excuse to use it as a cruch.. this is part of the anti's argument as to why people should'nt have guns.dcicero said:also, my argument is not stating that current criminals would become more active, but that the average citizen would be more likely to rely on his weapon in a broader range of situations.
somewhat off the subject but i think it might hold some relevance.VegasGuy said:Please forgive my analogy, but I feel it is valid. That's like saying because I own a camera I am more likely to use it for a broader range of subject matter that may be inappropriate, like shooting child pornography. Therefore, the government should restrict my use of a camera for my protection and the protection of children.
Thanks for this. I have not had much training. I have shot alot, but that doesn't count too much because you are NOT under pressure, your in bright lights, you have your "eyes and ears", and you can take your time hitting the 10 zone.Davidk0031 said:CCW holders are the most law abidding people in the country, it is an incorrect assumptions that if some one legally carries a gun that they are more likely to use it. It has been proven it every state that went Shall Issue CCW holders shooting it up doesn't happen. Do alittle research on CCW crime statistics in shall issue states like Florida. David