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I guess the "great .22LR shortage" has knocked a big hole in the .22LR as the best gun for your bugout bag. Rimfire is terribly hard, if not impossible, to reload, so in any "end of the world as we know it" scenario supplies will eventually dry up.

My thinking lately is running towards pellet guns, especially the silenced kind. To keep the sound down (as well as accuracy up), you need to stay sub sonic, or no more than 1,000 fps. Just as with silenced gunpowder ammo, you make up for velocity with mass. .22 pellets seem to be the best size at the moment, but .25 and even .355 are just now gaining momentum. The 2 quietest I know of at the moment are the Stoeger X20 Silenced and the Benjamin Marauder. They both come in at about 85 decibels and one of the advantages of a suppressor is it makes finding the direction of the sound almost impossible without highly sophisticated equipment. The X20 Silencer is a break barrel springer while the Marauder is a PCP (meaning it uses stored compressed air, or also CO2 in this case). The springer has the slowest rate of fire, but doesn't need recharging like the PCP. The PCP on the the hand can give you about 50 fast bolt action shots at full power out of a 10 round magazine, but needs at least a hand pump to recharge (read: takes a good amount of time and effort). It is interesting to note that Lewis and Clark carried some airguns and used them to good effect in their westward expedition.

The pellets themselves can be cast, but good luck on finding any molds. But as opposed to rimfire, the pellets can be stored indefinitely without going bad.
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I still like the 22LR, but whatever you currently own with a reasonable supply of ammo will do. Remember, it isn't about going out and buying a gun and ammo when supplies are tight it is all about what you have and what you could scrounge in a SHTF scenario. I would venture all this ammo that is being hoarded isn't being shot up rapidly.....if you had to scrounge in abandoned homes, businesses or on dead bodies for stuff...you would find 22 first off and 9 mm second most plentiful.
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Maybe....
I understand the worry about .22LR ammo shortages. I also own a few air guns including a CO2 .22 air rifle and a break barrel .22 air rifle. I think getting the air rifle for backyard varmint control or for practice is a worthy cause.

For "bugging out" I'd still pick a magazine fed bolt action .22LR rifle over an air rifle. Break barrels will break their springs in time, and given my experience around gas springs in other fields, the Nitro Piston gas springs will die too. Plus, in every pump up air rifle the seals don't last forever, maybe a decade or so before they leak.

So, if bugging out for a end of the world as we know it scenario, a firearm doesn't have all those weakness against it long term. Plus, for the weight and size of a fast shootin' air rifle, you can get a .22 bolt rifle. And with that bolt rifle, you can shoot ammo ranging from 700 fps to 1600 fps, all with more energy than a 14 grain .22 pellet.

If you get a youth model .22LR rifle you will have a smaller and potentially lighter package. The top gun is a 7 lb. 43.5" air rifle in .22. The bottom gun is a mag fed .22 LR bolt gun that weighs 5.5 lbs. and is 35.25" long. If you don't want pink, paint that sucker! :)

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Well... It seems my opinion on this subject changes from time to time. Everybody seems to have reasons why one way is right and another isn't so right. I think a lot of it depends on the actual bugout situation for example... will there be ammo shortages or can you still expect to find ammo reasonably well ? Do you have to travel light ? in which case a huge gun might not be in the cards. Do you expect to be confronted by groups of armed assailants and need a rapid rate of fire and quick reload or like me the occasional large hungry bear ?
I try to have something for every possible situation. A silent gun, light gun, fast gun, powerful gun, reliable gun...
For my use... Shotguns are a little obsolete my Taurus .454 out performs shotguns... period! the only advantage a shotty would have is spread and that's not really an issue i'm worried about in fact I see it as more of a hindrance.
Cost of ammo is a factor... I try to keep all my guns standardized for that reason I can swap ammo reasonably well. Here in Canada no matter what the ammo... its still damn expensive! My rule of thumb... learn to reload your own keep about 1000 rounds handy and enough supplies to reload that 1000 about 10 times. Just my opinion.
A good reliable rifle you really cant go wrong with ! I personally like the .300 win mag but its not everybody's cup of tea.
My go to gun for everything and as it stands just about any SHTF situation is my .454 hands down.
I have plenty of ammo for it. The round is extremely versatile. You can load it up enough to take on bears or low enough to stun a bunny. The size and weight aren't an issue for me... i'm of a size myself that makes this gun fit me like a glove. Its accurate and reliable and if I do run out of ammo I can use it as a club lol ;) I really am obsessed with this revolver and this caliber so I am a bit biased. To me its the perfect gun and in a SHTF situation I think its paramount to have a gun that suits your individual needs.
The recoil doesn't bother me. It's more compact than just about any shotgun or rifle.
The only thing I would change is I would like to add another gun to go with it... something very small, light and silent. Its a noise issue. Sometimes you don't need the whole world to hear you make a shot. If there was such a thing as a suppressed Taurus .454 that would solve that issue. That's my two and a half cents.
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Yep - I was going to mention spare parts as well.

BEST is something we could discuss until - the end of the earth. Chich & the KISS approach has a good model - makes me (semi auto everything) want to go buy at least one bolt gun.

I'm in the popular caliber club. All my guns are too! Popular will present good chances for useful finds and solid trading ability. My .02.
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I think anyone who is lamenting the current shortage of .22 probably wasn't paying attention. I learned my lesson the last time this sort of thing hit. Some people can comfortably weather this storm and the next and still have enough for any TEOTWAWKI scenario.

The current shortage has hit every caliber, so unless one had the foresight to lay in a supply of one's favorite ammo, one will not be in any better position than with .22s. My bug-out guns are my 65, a Marlin 1894C (sharing .357 Mag), a .22 revolver and a .22 lever gun. If I had to drop one for weight issues it would be the .22 lever gun. I can always shoot rats and rabbits with the .22 revolver. IMO semi-autos are way too prima donna for any TEOTWAWKI.


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. . . makes me (semi auto everything) want to go buy at least one bolt gun.
Manually operated firearms are very versatile when it comes to different ammo loadings which is one reason I have a real fondness for bolt guns, lever guns, and revolvers.


EDIT - I forgot to mention, you can shoot low velocity .22 LR ammo out of an auto-loader, too. All you have to do is manually operate the action between shoots. For box magazine guns, the CCI Quiet and the Aguila Colibris have full length brass so they fill the magazine properly as opposed to .22 Shorts. I've done this with my Bersa .22 LR pistol, my Beretta Neos Carbine, and my friend's Ruger 10/22.
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My thinking lately is running towards pellet guns, especially the silenced kind. To keep the sound down (as well as accuracy up), you need to stay sub sonic, or no more than 1,000 fps. Just as with silenced gunpowder ammo, you make up for velocity with mass. .22 pellets seem to be the best size at the moment, but .25 and even .355 are just now gaining momentum. The 2 quietest I know of at the moment are the Stoeger X20 Silenced and the Benjamin Marauder. They both come in at about 85 decibels and one of the advantages of a suppressor is it makes finding the direction of the sound almost impossible without highly sophisticated equipment. The X20 Silencer is a break barrel springer while the Marauder is a PCP (meaning it uses stored compressed air, or also CO2 in this case).
I can't speak for the loudness of those airguns, but I have fired regular air rifles versus the quieter ammo out of .22 LR rifles. From a distance of about 50 feet to the side, something like the powderless Aguila Super Colibiri out of a .22 LR rifle is real close to the sound of a pellet rifle.

Here are just a few videos of pellet guns versus the quieter .22 LR ammo.


I have on hand some CCI Quiet, Super Colibris, and standard Colibri. I haven't tried standard Colibri out of a rifle barrel as it is not advised, but it works good out of handguns. The CCI Quiet is more accurate than either Colibri type though.

When ammo gets back on the shelves, stock up on this stuff. I think you'll like it.

Oh wait, I found some Super Colibri if you want to give it a try. .22 LR Aguila Super Colibri LRN 20 Grain 500 Box 500 fps No Powder Super Quiet ;)
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IMO semi-autos are way too prima donna for any TEOTWAWKI.


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:D

You and Woody Harrelson might agree.
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I too have a collection of small arms including an Anshutz bolt action in .22LR, a H&R Model 700 in .22Mag, an AR, a .308Win bolt gun, a bunch of single barrel, pump and auto shotguns, and a couple of pellet guns. That's not counting handguns. My point with the .22LR is that once SHTF, there will be no more rimfire ammo made. Centerfires will be able to reload until they run out of powder. Blackpowder firearms will be the same, except you can make crude blackpowder fairly easy. But I have seen people actually construct accurate projectiles out of a nail, some electrical tape and half a Q-Tip that function quite well out of a pellet gun. If you are worried about spares, now is a good time to stock up as pellet guns have not got caught up in the Obama hysteria like smokeless powder firearms.

Bows and crossbows are not a bad option, if you can shoot them worth a damn. And Backwoodsman magazine recently ran an article on making your own arrows using duct tape for fletching. Along with some articles on making your own atlatl, spears, and boomerangs. They have even run some very good articles on making your own water filters. If you are a prepper, or just worried about SHTF scenarios, it is a good idea to have a stash of Backwoodsman magazines to use for reference.
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If you are a prepper, or just worried about SHTF scenarios, it is a good idea to have a stash of Backwoodsman magazines to use for reference.
I pick up a copy of that usually every time I see it at the local grocery store. It reminds of the things I made back in the Boy Scouts. If the crap does hit the fan, I hope some of those articles rekindle my ability to make useful things out of less than useful things.
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Agreed, but silenced pellet guns do not require a $200 Federal tax stamp.

And now if you really want a SHTF silenced subsonic .22LR look at one of the new $75 (still requires the additional $200 tax stamp) silencer adapters that allows you to use any automotive type oil filter for the baffle. I think used (empty) oil filters may work even better than new. Just google oil filter silencer on YouTube.
Agreed, but silenced pellet guns do not require a $200 Federal tax stamp.

And now if you really want a SHTF silenced subsonic .22LR look at one of the new $75 (still requires the additional $200 tax stamp) silencer adapters that allows you to use any automotive type oil filter for the baffle. I think used (empty) oil filters may work even better than new. Just google oil filter silencer on YouTube.
If the world ends as we know it, will we worry about a federal tax stamp? I figure more than a few people will convert guns to their needs if there is no law and order on a permanent basis.
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I too have a collection of small arms including an Anshutz bolt action in .22LR, a H&R Model 700 in .22Mag, an AR, a .308Win bolt gun, a bunch of single barrel, pump and auto shotguns, and a couple of pellet guns.
That's a great selection to choose from. If I could carry just one, it would probably be that .308 bolt gun.
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I would hide my rifle and revolver in what I feel is a secure place. My carry gun would be s&w m&p40 (also have 9mm barrel for more ammo options). Its light weight, accurate, and built well enough to handle elements, mud, etc..

It is also easily concealed. You don't want someone to sneak up on you to kill you and steal your firearm if they want what you have
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I have on hand some CCI Quiet, Super Colibris, and standard Colibri. I haven't tried standard Colibri out of a rifle barrel as it is not advised, but it works good out of handguns. The CCI Quiet is more accurate than either Colibri type though.

When ammo gets back on the shelves, stock up on this stuff. I think you'll like it.

Oh wait, I found some Super Colibri if you want to give it a try. .22 LR Aguila Super Colibri LRN 20 Grain 500 Box 500 fps No Powder Super Quiet ;)
Actually the Super Colibri also says not recommended for "long barreled" guns. I might not be as nervous shooting Supers in a rifle, but I'd darn sure check the target after each shot. :unsure:

Woo-hoo! Post #666! :devil:
Agreed, but silenced pellet guns do not require a $200 Federal tax stamp.

And now if you really want a SHTF silenced subsonic .22LR look at one of the new $75 (still requires the additional $200 tax stamp) silencer adapters that allows you to use any automotive type oil filter for the baffle. I think used (empty) oil filters may work even better than new. Just google oil filter silencer on YouTube.
I haven't googled it, but it seems to me a wet filter wouldn't work nearly as well as a new (dry) one. The oil should plug up the filter media more than enough to stop
gasses from expanding inside the filter, and gasses expanding inside the suppressor is how a suppressor suppresses. I think an oiled filter wouldn't do anything other than contribute a cloud of blue smoke out the business end. But as I said, I haven't googled it, so I could be the one who's all wet and spouting smoke.
While I would not use a pellet rifle for SD, it is definitely a good choice for low profile/stealthy hunting gathering use. I have a cousin who has a .177 Gamo that he takes out the local tree rats. He told me a big doe jumped into his back yard and ate all of his flowers on more than one occasion. He thought he would pop her in the butt with that pellet rifle so she wouldn't come back. Instead it shattered her hip and he had to cut her throat. So they have good power and can take down most anything you can contemplate eating. There is also a YouTube video of a guy taking down first a 150 pound feral pig and then a 250 pounder with a .177 Gamo. At first I thought he was popping them behind the ear as the dogs held it, but it clearly shows him shooting and dropping them while the pig is looking directly at him. I just don't know where he aimed.
My plan is to overtake those that have been watching "Preppers" and liberate them of all their supplies and weapons, so whatever they have will be what I have. ;-)
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