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Qwiks draw · Feb 6, 2008

Now ya gone and done it. ;D :evil: Asking an ammo question. Members, staff, and students of the shooting arts... what happens when a ammo question is asked? HOMEWORK gets assigned.

Professor Qwiks is in the house.

Get some snacks and and a tall beverage because this may take a while.

Wait until you ask about holsters! Just kidding of course but this is one of the top 3 asked questions here.
Herr Professor is now going on to other things. ;D

Qwiks draw · Feb 10, 2008

Robby is a smart guy. Intelligent , too. He pulls people's legs and not their fingers. ;D

;D

Qwiks draw · Feb 19, 2008

What the staff and I post are from what actually has worked out in the real world for defense shootings for the most part. Well documented data at that. Members have done that to a goodly extent,too.

I save all the old tactical and police journals that I can find with documentation to back up the records for the last 4 decades. Not definitive by any means, but a good cross section of data.

Others here follow the same process or have actual experience first hand. NYPDin AZ has some of that as do others here.
I can say that I have actually had to hold a gun over 30 times on criminals. The weird part was this was helping a sheriff's deputy over a three year period in the old neighborhood. Never had to fire in anger, but came close a number of times.

So it behooved me to start researching deeply long ago what worked and what didn't in the various calibers. I pass on the workings of others who have been there and done that and what transpired.

Have seen first hand what some of the FMJ or JHPs can do to a body. Not many, but a few. Granted it's been a while.

There are others here who have a lot of first hand experience and say so. They pass on their knowledge to others selflessly.

There is a thread on Glaser Safety Slugs for example in the Factory Ammo forum just recently. Many have no idea the history,make up, or the how to of these rounds. So a little history and other data was let loose for others. Nothing substantial, but things a lot of people may need to know.

This may be obvious to some, but not to others, so am putting this in here.

Qwiks draw · Oct 13, 2008

If you a snubbie revolver then the Glaser/Magsafe/Beesafe is a good way to go. These will pass through bone and dump their payload inside the attacker/s.
These will pass through even heavy clothing and do their jobs.

These loads will impact much lower on target than with convential ammo. This is not written in stone. There are exceptions but are the general rule. Check point of impact on target with whatever load you choose before using for relying on it for defense.

Glaser Blue nose drives in 4 to a bit over 7 inches into human flesh. It's been found adequate for most actual shooting scenarios it's been used in.

Glaser Silver drives several inches deeper and has larger shot for deeper penetration. Cone of dispersion of payload is more football shaped than for the Blue nosed Glaser.
If Glaser or Magsafe hit at a oblique angle or straight on to something solid (other than human flesh) the payload is dumped doing little or no damage to the anyone else.

Most civilian defense shootings indoors are frontal shots or close to it on the attacker.

Average male torsos are approximately 9.3-9.7 inches in depth.

Even with longer torsos depths this is normally well and deep enough to reach organs deep within the human body. Even the liver will be devestated if a prefrag load hits it.

A few years ago there was a 350lb. would be sexual assaulter who took 1 blue Glaser hit in his large belly fat. He went into shock,sat down, looked at the extensive bleeding wound and asked not to be shot again. That's about stopping someone. Not on being lethal.

While this is not a overall endorsement of the prefrag loads it does show they do their job.

One down side is prefrag rounds will dump their loads in an arm if that is hit first. There will be little or no further penetration or little damage to the recipient.

So the benefits have to be weighed against the cons.

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