Got a pic - tough to visualize the setup. A talented BG goes for the weakest point first. Will that crowbar pop it off the wall if used properly? There are some great padlocks available - the lock attachment question that you ask is key.
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My opinion only:
A noisy alarm system helps a lot. If you have nothing to make a thief nervous about spending time in your home, they will
be able to take their time and open about any lower end safe. We have all watched videos of guys with big crowbars opening
a safe. I believe the trick is to deter them from a quick snatch and go with some sort of locked container/safe. Then make your
alarm system very noisy and distracting. It will make them want to leave quicker and not spend time prying something open.
Sirens, lights on, and strobes going off inside the house. Of course the system needs to be installed with care to avoid false
alarms
We have a small delay in our system so we can shut it down if we make a mistake. And car alarm type remotes to
arm and disarm. Once the delay goes by, many lights outside go on, cheap party strobes are triggered, and interior and exterior
sirens go off. This is coupled with a good insurance policy.
JB
A noisy alarm system helps a lot. If you have nothing to make a thief nervous about spending time in your home, they will
be able to take their time and open about any lower end safe. We have all watched videos of guys with big crowbars opening
a safe. I believe the trick is to deter them from a quick snatch and go with some sort of locked container/safe. Then make your
alarm system very noisy and distracting. It will make them want to leave quicker and not spend time prying something open.
Sirens, lights on, and strobes going off inside the house. Of course the system needs to be installed with care to avoid false
alarms
We have a small delay in our system so we can shut it down if we make a mistake. And car alarm type remotes toarm and disarm. Once the delay goes by, many lights outside go on, cheap party strobes are triggered, and interior and exterior
sirens go off. This is coupled with a good insurance policy.
JB
Good point about the pic. Not good with cameras, but I found this pic online which pretty much approximates my safe. I can't imagine they'd be able to pop it off the wall, as it's in a closet (hidden when door is closed.) I'd think it'd be hard to get enough leverage for that, but I could be wrong.
Looking at this pic, I see the three weak points as being:
-halfway between the two locks on the door
-the high corner of the door above the high lock
-the low corner of the door below the low lock.
As far as attaching the padlocks, any padlock is only as good as it's hasp. I was thinking that INSTEAD of a hasp, maybe I could just drill two holes at each location - one in the door and one in the safe to accommodate the u-shaped shank of the padlock, but now I'm thinking that WON'T work because the shank may not clear the edge of the door (where the sheet metal is folded over.) Hard to explain. I'll try to make a drawing.
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Attachments
Looping a lock through the door may not work well - IMHO you want short, hardened covered shackles if you are adding locks. The lock on the right has lasted me years outdoors on my garage door. On an attempted break in the fools were wailing on it so hard (no room to cut it) that they woke the neighbors who called me. My security lights were on and one guy was checking out his stash from the last garage while the other one hammered away in the second light - idiots! They ran as 3 of us simultaneously appeared each from a different house. The lock hasp was bolted through the solid door with hardened bolts. That lock is still hanging on the door today. I changed the fencing from chain link to solid and moved it beyond the door that is right on an alley.
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It sounds like you have the safe/lock box in a good location - hidden and hard to remove from tight quarters. Sounds like you need a good welder. Lots of other good perimeter suggestions as well. Lower the comfort level. In a recent crime the BGs used the homeowner's own tools (a cutoff grinder) to open his lock boxes - and they took the tools - probably made lunch while they were at it!! Post up solutions!!
It sounds like you have the safe/lock box in a good location - hidden and hard to remove from tight quarters. Sounds like you need a good welder. Lots of other good perimeter suggestions as well. Lower the comfort level. In a recent crime the BGs used the homeowner's own tools (a cutoff grinder) to open his lock boxes - and they took the tools - probably made lunch while they were at it!! Post up solutions!!
I wouldn't even think about getting into the steal business without some really good bolt cutters, a great pry bar and even a small angle grinder that was powered by a lithium Ion 18 or 24 volt battery, but I've got a feeling my first target would have a Vault door on it and I would need a demolition drill and demolition charges to breach his place. No telling what kind of security system he has though, probably poison gas~gas my never issued $28 dollar Israeli mask probably wouldn't work on!
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