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B.G. Can't Buy a Gun, Steals One Instead

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rollin thunder
...then kills his ex girlfriend.

This is something you just can't explain to the gun grabbers.

Shooter in Jo-Ann Fabrics murder-suicide used stolen gun from
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TonyC2639
Oh geez now they're stealing them. This is sure going to be a problem.
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Echo40
It's almost as if Gun Control is completely useless and does little to deter folks who seek to commit murder.

In fact, I've done a bit of research in my spare time, and it turns out that murder isn't quite as new as gun control advocates make it seem and folks have been doing it since the dawn of mankind, often in far more grisly/inhumane ways than simply shooting them dead.

I don't want to speak too soon, but I'm beginning to question the honesty of gun control advocates, and wonder if perhaps they have ulterior motives which are less noble than they appear to be seeing as their narrative view of violence seems almost intentionally unilateral/incomplete.
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Tuco_Ramírez said:
I don't want to speak too soon, but I'm beginning to question the honesty of gun control advocates, and wonder if perhaps they have ulterior motives which are less noble than they appear to be seeing as their narrative view of violence seems almost intentionally unilateral/incomplete.
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With Anti-gunners and gun control advocates, you have 2 different categories; Those who hold some utopianistic belief that life will be rainbows and unicorns if guns no longer exist to the population and those who want to be part of the ruling class with power over the unwashed masses. The first group has no comprehension of reality as projectile launching weapons can be made in a short amount of time. the key is rapid release of stored energy. That can be mechanical or chemical in nature and people will find new ways to kill others from distance. In general, this group of people are useful idiots that are exploited by the second group. The Second group wants nothing more than to enslave the populace. They will use gov't power and authority as well as force of killing to achieve this goal. if the citizenry is armed, that puts a kink in their master plans as people WILL shoot back. In short, no. The Gun control advocates are not honest. They are lying SOBs who seek to disarm you to create an imbalance of power. This is why we fight so hard to defend and protect the Second Amendment.
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F
In other words, gun banners are either morons or power freaks. Or both.
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aquajim
Did he at least undergo an enhanced background check?
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dwhite
Unfortunately it's events like this that make the anti-gunners say the only
cure is to make all guns illegal and round them up.

Good bit of negligence here, I think, on the part of the gun store for letting
the guy get out with the gun. They not supervising their range adequately?

All the Best,
D. White
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olfarhors
Yep!
I think gun confiscation will be about as successful as Prohibition was!
but I do still have the 2 Bows upstairs , so I guess I can still be considered a deplorable savage if it comes to this.
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GhostHorse
From the article: A personal protection order helps people protect themselves from someone who is threatening, hurting or harassing them, causing them to fear for their personal safety.

No, no it doesn't. A personal protection order gives the lawyers another charge if the perp is around to be charged. It does absolutely nothing else. Sheesh. Acknowledge the obvious, why don't you?
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NotSo
Wonder how many ranges hold their guns until the shooter is actually on the range, and then collect them before the shooter leaves. I'm thinking that today there's not that many but pretty soon it will be almost all of them.
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mingaa
Add background checks for rentals.

Some places you you can shoot as many guns in rental inventory as you like at $10-20 per hour — plus ammo. Different gun would be a new background check. Wanna bet it gets proposed?!?! :mad:

Plus rentals are sales stimulators — can’t have that! Just do away with it completely!!
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aquajim said:
Did he at least undergo an enhanced background check?
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No, but that will be next thing that the anti gunners will demand happen. :(

GhostHorse said:
From the article: A personal protection order helps people protect themselves from someone who is threatening, hurting or harassing them, causing them to fear for their personal safety.

No, no it doesn't. A personal protection order gives the lawyers another charge if the perp is around to be charged. It does absolutely nothing else. Sheesh. Acknowledge the obvious, why don't you?
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Back before Ohio had licensed concealed carry, and a woman who was abused and threatened by an ex asked about current Ohio law r/t CCW, she brought up the fact that she had a restraining order. He said he thought that would be good from the legal aspect, because you had to have documentation of a problem in order to carry (justifiable need type of excuse) He told her though, and I believe that this is still true today, if a person really intends to do you harm, as far as real protection goes, the restraining order might as well be printed on toilet paper, because someone like that doesn't care about itts .

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Wonder how many ranges hold their guns until the shooter is actually on the range, and then collect them before the shooter leaves. I'm thinking that today there's not that many but pretty soon it will be almost all of them.
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I'm guessing more and more of them will start doing that.
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Echo40
NotSo said:
Wonder how many ranges hold their guns until the shooter is actually on the range, and then collect them before the shooter leaves. I'm thinking that today there's not that many but pretty soon it will be almost all of them.
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I once read about an indoor shooting range in South Korea which assigns each customer with a personal escort/safety officer who chains the firearm to the table. It always struck me as excessive, but then again, I suppose that's just their way of making sure that the rules are followed and that they are less likely to be held liable should something go wrong.
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mingaa said:
Add background checks for rentals.

Some places you you can shoot as many guns in rental inventory as you like at $10-20 per hour — plus ammo. Different gun would be a new background check. Wanna bet it gets proposed?!?! :mad:

Plus rentals are sales stimulators — can’t have that! Just do away with it completely!!
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Guaranteed it will be proposed, and maybe even implemented in some locales. The proponents will likely cite this incident as the reason.
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olfarhors
mingaa said:
Add background checks for rentals.

Some places you you can shoot as many guns in rental inventory as you like at $10-20 per hour — plus ammo. Different gun would be a new background check. Wanna bet it gets proposed?!?! :mad:

Plus rentals are sales stimulators — can’t have that! Just do away with it completely!!
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MY range does 10 dollars for as many rental weapons as you want to try, IF you are a member then you can shoot any rental gun for free except for the ammo.
you must buy their ammo of course.
they only charge 12 bucks a visit to shoot as long as you want on a lane.
they do require that you convince them that you are an experienced shooter unless they know you or you are a member.
they only have one way out of the ranges (2) that through the gun shop past the shooting range counter.
they require a drivers liscense to rent a lane and they keep it until you pay up after the shoot.
and the other emergency exits have alarms on them.
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olfarhors said:
MY range does 10 dollars for as many rental weapons as you want to try, IF you are a member then you can shoot any rental gun for free except for the ammo.
you must buy their ammo of course.
they only charge 12 bucks a visit to shoot as long as you want on a lane.
they do require that you convince them that you are an experienced shooter unless they know you or you are a member.
they only have one way out of the ranges (2) that through the gun shop past the shooting range counter.
they require a drivers liscense to rent a lane and they keep it until you pay up after the shoot.
and the other emergency exits have alarms on them.
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All well and good, but if the guy is heading for a murder suicide, none of that would stop him - unless the range personnel are going to chase him down and shoot him in the parking lot when he walks out the emergency exit with the rental gun...
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BC605 said:
All well and good, but if the guy is heading for a murder suicide, none of that would stop him - unless the range personnel are going to chase him down and shoot him in the parking lot when he walks out the emergency exit with the rental gun...
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ahh, well yea!
But then again its hard to prevent a bolt of lightning from hitting a customer that's walking across the parking lot as well. I mean somethings just can't realistically be prevented.
we generally work on an assumption that things like this aren't going to occur and generally they don't.
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glenwolde
There would response would likely be: "That's exactly why guns should be outlawed altogether. Owners just can't possibly keep them secure. If you're advocating laws that make innocent parties responsible for forcing people to be unarmed (like school districts and businesses), how about a law that also makes the gun owner responsible for any harm caused by his gun if it's stolen?"
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rollin thunder
olfarhors said:
...we generally work on an assumption that things like this aren't going to occur and generally they don't.
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"We" aren't "them" "They" have no logic.
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F
I was able to figure that one out all by myself.
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