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Is "Honey Badger" a proprietary name for their AR pistol or is it different from other AR pistols? I see an SB brace on it. This is quite concerning.
 

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Is "Honey Badger" a proprietary name for their AR pistol or is it different from other AR pistols? I see an SB brace on it. This is quite concerning.
On their website, they say it is a proprietary brace from SB Tactical. Maybe SB didn't get a ruling from the ATF on this particular model? I'm not sure if their rulings on braces have been model-specific or general. Just a guess as to why they might have ruled it an sbr.

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On their website, they say it is a proprietary brace from SB Tactical. Maybe SB didn't get a ruling from the ATF on this particular model? I'm not sure if their rulings on braces have been model-specific or general. Just a guess as to why they might have ruled it an sbr.

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Googling Honey Badger it appears that they included a suppressor.

That's definitely the concern. A lot of boating trips being planned.

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So if it's illegal, what can anyone do with it? Get caught, go to Federal prison and/or pay a huge fine plus legal fees. Lose all firearms.
 

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I've had a feeling this was coming, ever since the bump-stock fiasco. Fortunately I have a SBR that I can use my shorties as replacements for.
 

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It looks like the Honey Badger came as an SBR or a pistol that were the same except for the stock/brace. The way it was mounted and deployed looks the same in the pics.

Do AR pistols and rifles use different buffer tubes?

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The letter says an owner can separate the upper and lower and mount the upper on another AR pistol lower. This suggests there is an issue with the Honey Badger lower...not all AR pistol lowers (at this time).

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It looks like the Honey Badger came as an SBR or a pistol that were the same except for the stock/brace. The way it was mounted and deployed looks the same in the pics.

Do AR pistols and rifles use different buffer tubes?

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Yes. A rifle/carbine stock can't be mounted on a pistol tube. However the SB tac pistol brace can be mounted on an adjustable carbine tube.
 

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The adjustable pistol braces might be the reason this is happening. Let's face it, I have an adjustable SB Tactical pistol brace so if I inadvertently shoulder it while firing, it will fit to my shoulder. I was criticised for getting a tax stamp when I could have just purchased a PDW brace. At the time the SBR stamp was actually cheaper. This may not affect braces that are not adjustable or blade braces that fit over pistol buffer tubes. Only time will tell, but contact your congress critter and complain about the ATF making arbitrary decisions that convert law abiding gun owners into felons.
 

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Well, I don't have one. I think the legality of ANY AR "pistol" is iffy and debatable. Seems like, though, if you could take the "brace" off, it would qualify as a pistol. I really do not see the utility, anyway, except that it might be a cool weapon for a truck gun. I have a Mossberg Shockwave for that which I do hope isn't NEXT. That's why this legislation is troubling to me. I mean, what's next? If you are going to change your mind on something, don't legalize it in the first place!!!!
 

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Well, I don't have one. I think the legality of ANY AR "pistol" is iffy and debatable. Seems like, though, if you could take the "brace" off, it would qualify as a pistol. I really do not see the utility, anyway, except that it might be a cool weapon for a truck gun. I have a Mossberg Shockwave for that which I do hope isn't NEXT. That's why this legislation is troubling to me. I mean, what's next? If you are going to change your mind on something, don't legalize it in the first place!!!!
Why do you think this way? Do you think a firearm should either be rifle size, or handgun length? Why would anything in between be unacceptable?
 

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Just the law. Barrels under 16" and a shoulder stock haven't been legal since 1933 without paying the class three license tax. I'm not saying they shouldn't be legalized, all for the individual's second amendment rights, though I'd have no interest in one. I've been hearing crickets and worried about my hearing as it is. I might spend the money and wait the year or two to get a suppressor, but not an SBR.
 

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More details about this from The Truth About Guns in three posts here:




These reports include information from Q, LLC about what current owners can do to remain legal for the time being.
 

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I seem to recall that SB wrote in their installation instructions to be sure the overall length was less that 26"...anybody verify that?
 
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