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She wants an AR- talked her out of LR, cause she's thinking part plinking and part Home D. So, anyone familiar with them? and, if there's some ammo that won't go thru 6 sheetrock walls?
Oh, being cheap wouldn't hurt, either....
Ref: the penetration of a 22 wmr...I saw a comparison the other night, different calibers going thru sheetrock, and they tried the 22LR- it went thru 4 layers, I think, maybe 5- so if we're going to do this, it would be nice to know about ammo first.
 

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Yeh, that's exactly what I tried to get her to- want. Figured a nice, light, 9mm carbine would fit perfectly. Really maneuverable in the house- good capacity- low recoil with a short barrel- I have 9mm's, so it would just be adding some ammo boxes. Her two buddies that still ride horses (we used to have horses, these girls are saddle-buddies from way back) have convinced her- has to be 22wmr. That's what they have. I know when I'm beat.
 
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I've never heard of an AR in 22wmr. The cost of 22wmr isn't much cheaper at all than 223. If you don't want the 223, I also say go with the 9mm. If you want a dedicated 9mm, check just right carbine, or Lone Wolf has a Glock lower for Glock mags.
 

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Why bother with finding an AR upper in 22 WMRF? Go with 5.56 if nothing else than no recoil; low cost; high availability of ammo (most of the time).
 

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OK, I had never heard of a 22mag AR either- but these country girls seemed so positive.Turns out one- for sure- has a KelTec
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and it was her HUSBAND who told her it was an AR :) I have thought about buying one of these myself, so it's a possibility- probably a lot of fun to shoot- anybody had experience? Seems I heard there was a feed problem at first- heard nothing about them in awhile. The 17 hornets are pretty cool too- bottom line, I need to take her shopping I guess. I was one of those who decided to buy her a pistol several years ago- macho-man knows best. Didn;t work out too good- so she'll just have to choose her own. Thanks guys.
 

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A semi auto carbine of any kind in .22 WMR is hard to find. Ruger made them for a couple of years in a 10/.22 mag version. Remington also made a 592 version and both quit making them after a short time. The faithful who own and shoot them are continually rebuilding them and buffers are a must. I will be real surprised if Keltec continues to build the PMR30 pistols or the new carbines based off the PMR30 for any real length of time. Maybe Keltec is the real deal. I would suggest you check ammo availability for .22 WMR first.
 

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Maybe they don't want your wife to have something better than theirs. I would get an AR in 5.56 and buy a .22 conversion kit.
 
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Actually Remington discontinued the .17 HMR version of the 597. I bought a .22 WMR Model 597 in the last two years, and I've seen them on dealer's shelves recently. Item 26560 in the 2015 Remington catalog.

As for cost, remember that .22 WMR usually comes in FIFTY round boxes, as opposed to 5.56 in TWENTY round boxes. Local dealers here seem to have plenty of .22 WMR available. I'd also think that BATFE outlawing both SS-109, and M855, as armor-piercing, is going to have a cost raising effect on both. For .223 to actually be effectively cheaper, one has to be able to buy it.

If the lady wants a .22 WMR semi-automatic, get her one. The knee-jerk reaction to anything BUT 5.56 or 9x19 isn't healthy. In a rifle length barrel, even the lowly .22 Long Rifle is a lethal round. For Home Defense, one of the mentioned purposes, you won't be engaging targets at 50 yards, or behind auto glass or sheet metal barriers. You could do worse.

One nice thing. Even the most draconian laws pretty much exempt rim-fire weapons from many of the restrictions placed upon center-fire defensive guns.

Face it, if you envision a scenario where you NEED an AR with multiple 30 round magazines, you will also need back-up, and possibly mortar support. ;)
 

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tHANKS jr :) OOPS CAPSLOCK As for home D, I have shotguns, my bedside pistol, pistol by my chair- the 22 she gets would be something for her to contribute with, should the shtf. Not that serious an issue for her Home D rifle- as I said, it's really for fun AND D.
I share your hesitation to focus on the 'best caliber' for this or that...the old idea of what we're comfy with- what we WILL carry is what we SHOULD carry-
I'm a 9mm kinda guy- Home D shotgun is a Mossberg pump, 18 1/2" barrel in 20-ga, not the 12. But we have two long-barrel 12's in the closet.
Good points about availability, too. My go-to heavy rifle is a lever 30-30...love it. We don't own an AR- but I'm always thinking of one- if I did I'd probably go 556, a lighter model- carbine-
Someone mentioned the keltec, question, I have had a couple of KT pistols- no bigger problem than most others I've owned- so though I, too, hesitate, about being too dependent on a - less-expensive weapon - the 22 will be a...not really a go-to for Home D.
Thanks to all for the input.
 

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Maybe a 9mm with frangible ammo for HD, cheap 115gr for plinking?
In my opinion for home defense you would be much better off buying a carbine in a pistol caliber, like 9 MM, 40 , or 45 acp.
first its cheaper than the AR, second the pistol cartridge Is not nearly as penetration prone as a rifle, plus you have a lot wider selection of expanding point self defense ammunition available.
Additionally the center fire cartridge is way more dependable than the rim fire cartridge, but seems like you made up your mind so hope you find a good deal.
 

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In my opinion for home defense you would be much better off buying a carbine in a pistol caliber, like 9 MM, 40 , or 45 acp.
first its cheaper than the AR, second the pistol cartridge Is not nearly as penetration prone as a rifle, plus you have a lot wider selection of expanding point self defense ammunition available.
Additionally the center fire cartridge is way more dependable than the rim fire cartridge, but seems like you made up your mind so hope you find a good deal.
Maybe you didn't see the entire thread- this is also for plinking- Home D very secondary- I would never have a rimfire for a primary defensive weapon...unless from necessity, of course, a 22 is better'n a rock.
 

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Here's an interesting 22mag bullpup I saw at a gun show today. $500.00 bucks show price which was ridiculous, msrp is only $450.00.



Appeal Rifle- Tanfoglio - EAA Corporation/ USSG
I think I've seen that in one of the gun rags- I stay away from really new stuff, you know, hasn;t ahd time to be proven- but I like the style. Practical build for Home D, isn;t it.
 

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One thing to remember with today's ammunition in pistol calibers. The ability to engineer these rounds for performance at specific velocities can create issues when you bump up the velocity by a couple of hundred fps. They ay no longer perform as designed.

Pretty much the same thing occurs when shooting factory rifle ammunition in those short-barreled hand cannons. The more engineered the bullet, the less it performs properly when it's operating thresholds are violated.
 

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Maybe you didn't see the entire thread- this is also for plinking- Home D very secondary- I would never have a rimfire for a primary defensive weapon...unless from necessity, of course, a 22 is better'n a rock.
Yes, I saw it, but I think that you can plink with a 9MM, 40, or 45 acp?
or either I have been doing something very wrong?
as in almost every case a dual purpose weapon there are trade offs, I personally would trade in favor of a better home defense gun/caliber than trade in the direction of a better plinker if it was to serve both purposes.
 
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