Sometimes you hear ant gunners claim that concealed carry or armed security is not an answer, that it might not work against a mass shooter. I remembered something that my father (co pilot) once told me about his WW2 experiences that might be relevant, an analogy I guess. One day he had a non army passenger on his plane, and the passenger was told they might have to abandon the plane in an emergency, and what the emergency procedures were. An emergency landing was simply not possible due to the terrain below. You stay in the plane you die, simple as that. The guy had never jumped before, and asked if they could ensure that the parachute would open properly and that he would land safely. The pilot replied, "Ensure? no. But you're always free to jump without one and take your chances."
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Mass shooters are, for the most part, cowards. Yes they must be mentally unstable but they aren't stupid. I believe they are afraid of being killed but they find power in killing. They choose to carry out their twisted actions in places they will not encounter armed resistance. It seems to the chances of other armed citizens even being on the scene is remote.
The guy in Las Vegas was sniping from a distance (interesting how he carried that off). The psycho in Sandy Hook school ... wow that was brave entering a elementary school. The guy in Orlando entered a night club full of people (many high as kites probably) who were partying. The guy in Pennsylvania enters a synagogue where people are attending services. Let's see ... people worshiping, people partying, people attending classes. These aren't places where there are armed citizens hanging around waiting for the chance to save a lot of lives.
The guy in Las Vegas was sniping from a distance (interesting how he carried that off). The psycho in Sandy Hook school ... wow that was brave entering a elementary school. The guy in Orlando entered a night club full of people (many high as kites probably) who were partying. The guy in Pennsylvania enters a synagogue where people are attending services. Let's see ... people worshiping, people partying, people attending classes. These aren't places where there are armed citizens hanging around waiting for the chance to save a lot of lives.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/.../2017/01/09/over-98-of-mass-shootings-occurred-on-gun-free-zones-research-shows
Antis use different definitions to come up with different statistics. One that drives me crazy is including multiple shootings that take place in private places (i.e. at home). Those are [almost] never random, but are, rather targeted. They do not meet the FBI definition of mass shooting.
Antis use different definitions to come up with different statistics. One that drives me crazy is including multiple shootings that take place in private places (i.e. at home). Those are [almost] never random, but are, rather targeted. They do not meet the FBI definition of mass shooting.
Apparently the Broward County Sheriff must believe in the effectiveness of ordinary citizens with CC against mass shooters enough that he allegedly allowed one of his deputies to give a course to Muslims attending a mosque.
This gentleman acting as a security guard in a South suburb of Chicago a week ago was engaging an armed bar patron who opened fire in the establishment. When the police arrived, they shot and killed the guard. The LEO's in this place are willing and eager to shoot people with guns, even after bystanders told them he was the good guy.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/us/security-officer-police-shooting-suburban-chicago/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/us/security-officer-police-shooting-suburban-chicago/index.html
And another armed man shot while fleeing scene of mall shooting. His gun had not been fired, it was just in his hand.
Armed Man Shot, Killed by Police 'Likely Did Not Fire Shots'
More information. It appears the man shot while fleeing was an Army Officer home on leave shopping with his family. He was a legally permitted CC carrier.
https://newsone.com/3837935/police-kill-ej-bradford-jr-alabama-mall-shooting/
Armed Man Shot, Killed by Police 'Likely Did Not Fire Shots'
More information. It appears the man shot while fleeing was an Army Officer home on leave shopping with his family. He was a legally permitted CC carrier.
https://newsone.com/3837935/police-kill-ej-bradford-jr-alabama-mall-shooting/
Usually when this topic gets discussed I find myself in a minority of one. I'm glad to see that is not the case here.
First off let me state that I am not a super hero nor am I Rambo. Yes, I carry a firearm and am fairly proficient in its use. It's purpose is to help protect "me and mine". On social occasions my usual carry is a 5-shot snubbie or a single stack 9mm. With either of those I am not going face to face with somebody toting an AK or an AR-15 in dimly lit surroundings in a situation that would probably be total chaos. I fully realize what being outgunned means. My first reaction would be to get the he** out of there. I don't feel any obligation to die or get shot protecting a bunch of people that I don't know or, quite honestly, care that much about. If, for some reason, the shooter blocks my exit, then the fight is on but not otherwise. Also, if my actions at that point benefit some other people allowing them to escape then well and good but that is not my primary objective, that remains the same, getting my wife and myself out of there.
If I get out of the building I am not going to rearm with a bigger and more effective firearm and re-enter the fray. I'm going to stand bye and wait for the SWAT team to take care of the situation. I am old and slow and am perfectly aware of my limitations.
In the past, when I've let my opinion on the subject be known, I've been told by people that they "know that I'd do the right thing". What is the "right thing?". You must each decide for yourselves. I've already decided.
First off let me state that I am not a super hero nor am I Rambo. Yes, I carry a firearm and am fairly proficient in its use. It's purpose is to help protect "me and mine". On social occasions my usual carry is a 5-shot snubbie or a single stack 9mm. With either of those I am not going face to face with somebody toting an AK or an AR-15 in dimly lit surroundings in a situation that would probably be total chaos. I fully realize what being outgunned means. My first reaction would be to get the he** out of there. I don't feel any obligation to die or get shot protecting a bunch of people that I don't know or, quite honestly, care that much about. If, for some reason, the shooter blocks my exit, then the fight is on but not otherwise. Also, if my actions at that point benefit some other people allowing them to escape then well and good but that is not my primary objective, that remains the same, getting my wife and myself out of there.
If I get out of the building I am not going to rearm with a bigger and more effective firearm and re-enter the fray. I'm going to stand bye and wait for the SWAT team to take care of the situation. I am old and slow and am perfectly aware of my limitations.
In the past, when I've let my opinion on the subject be known, I've been told by people that they "know that I'd do the right thing". What is the "right thing?". You must each decide for yourselves. I've already decided.
It's so easy to monday morning quarterback. I hit someone's hot button earlier. I really don't care one bit. I will never meet that person, we probably will never have a beer in a neighborhood bar. I'm past the age where vanity is an issue, and I don't have a "request for new friends" paper out. "In my infinite wisdom and experience" I am absolutely sure what I would do. 1) Protect my loved ones and family, 2) Get the hell out and let the professionals do what they do best. I am not going to protect someone else or their family unless there is no choice. Not my responsibility. If someone else does not take their own safety or that of their family as seriously as I do, it's not my job to bail them out. If my loved ones are threatened, I will protect them at the cost of my own life. The old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight - I carry either a .45, 9 or .38. Not exactly a match for a scatter gun or rifle. I'm old and slow and not a challenge as a moving target. If I'm hurt or killed trying to save a stranger, my family suffers. They are my first and most important responsibility. If that upsets anyone, too bad. I won't lose any sleep worrying about it.
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