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Hello guys got a quetion for ya. Anyone tried the mexican ammo called Aguila?
I fired some lead round nose and it a very dirty round, had to spend more time cleaning the revo than normal. Besides that what are your comments? The have a sjhp standard preasure round I think it is 158gr, anyone has any experience with it? as it looks like a good option for SD carry.
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I've shot their 45 auto in the past without any issues. I may have shot it in other calibers but don't recall.

As far as their JHP I'm not sure. I found their site but its awaiting updating. I'd rather trust a US designed hollow point but I'm not sure if you have access to them or if they are outrageously priced.

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Nope! that is the sad part, dont have acces to Us made ammo, its either aguila or S&B and they do not make HPs in 38 spl, they have a soft point but I have not yet seen it in the store only FMJs.

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Will have to say tha Aguila is decent ammo. Quality control of their better ammo lines seems to be pretty good at this time. It is dirty as far as the practice ammo is concerned.

There is no data of actual street performance as far as any felons being shot with this. None that I know of. Especially where the .38 Special is concerned.

Aguila is not a recommended ammo for defence by any police agency or Federal agency either at this time.

At this time it might be wise to stay with a proven company( U.S. at that) for the time being until something of hard fact can be ascertained.

Remington UMC brand and Winchester's white box ammo in 125gr JHP design will be cheaper and give consistancy of good penetration, and a decent level of protection.
This is the old JHP technology, but it works well then and still does know.

Even though the newer brand JHPs are 'cutting edge ' technology the old brands still get the job well done. Something about "if it ain't broken... don't fix it."
 

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Fiocchi does make JHP if you can get a hold of that.
Caliber Bullet
Wt in Grains Bullet Type Muzzle
Velocity fps. Muzzle
Enegry ft-lbs. Rds.
Box
38XTP
38 Special 125 XTP Hollow Point 900 225 50
38A
38 Special 130 FMJ 950 260 50
38C
38 Special 158 Lead Round Nose 910 295 50
38D
38 Special 125 Semi Jacketed HP 950 250 50
38E 38 Special 148 Jacketed Hollowpoint 820 225 50
38G 38 Special 158 Metal Case 960 320 50
38 Super Auto
And these guys are International. They have websites in the U.S. and foreign ones as well.
 

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As I was thinking about it, can you get ahold of Magtech ammo in Honduras? I've heard some good things about their high end line. http://www.magtechammunition.com/

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Last time I checked only these brands are for sale, who knows why only these and not Fiochi or Magtech? Maybe these aere cheaper :???: I know it sucks, dont remind me.
Will check tomorrow and see if there is anything new.

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If you can't locate any other brands I'd take any design of JHP over ball (to include lead round nose etc). This way you have a chance of expansion, with ball you have none.

Are you looking at a local gun shop or are you limited to an "official" store? If at a local store, how far would you have to go to get to the next closest store to check out there offerings? Is either store willing/able to order in ammo from their supplier?

One point in your favor is that the 158gr slugs tend to hit to point of aim in most small frame revolvers.

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Turns out the bullets are all 158 and semi jacketed at that. A JHP at least has a chance to expand. Not as much as the soft 158gr. lead semi wad cutter hollowpoint however.

If the bullet strikes the head there is less chance for deflection than if round nosed bullets were used.
 

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Yes,

I am limited to an official store, owned by the armed forces. I either buy from them or from them! :D
Anything else is contraband, :???: humm not a bad option, never thought about it. 8)
 

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Not to give you any illegal ideas... if you reload your own ammo or know someone who does, I'd think that you could find some quality JHP bullets that resemble the ones sold as complete cartridges and load them in Aquila cases so that they appear to be factory ammo. It would take a knowledgeable person to spot the difference.

For bullets I'd think that anything from the US makers would work but without seeing (and comparing) the bullets actually used I can't say for sure.

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Ok got some photos! bad photos from my cel, but it should be enough. I have compared the aguilas to the winchesters.
Wins on the left and Aguila to the right.

The Aguila has big! nice slug, the half jacket is bigger as is the lead portion.
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The casing and slug appear to be good quality, in this case the slug looks better than the winchesters, but they maybe older also.

The primers seem the same but this picture does not help much :rolleyes:

I think the aguilas are 158gr, I am almost sure, they are standard preasure, wins are +P. Regarding the Winchesters I do not know the exact weight, I saw similar pictures in the winchester site but one was 110gr and the other was129gr, the first was a law enforcement ammo, the second I do not remember.

So any more comments are welcome.!

By the way I heard must snubs are targeted at the factory with 158gr bullets, where should expect more or less point of impact with the Winchesters? remember I only got 5 of those! aint going to shoot them unless its in selfdefence.

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How old are these rounds...or...are there more Aguila's roundsthan the Winchester?

Here's the reasonng. After taking a look at the pictures it appears the Winchester ammo is actually the 125gr. version. The 125 gr. load will hit several inches below point of aim.

1E382520bx
158gr Semi Jacketed Hollow Point Bullet. Velocity: 900fps. Energy: 284Ft-lb. Non Corrosive. Box/50rds
The above is quoted from www.the-amory.com

If the velocity is correct then it is in the +P range. If Aguila is using a powder similar to Buffalo Bore's load it may be possible that it is a non +P load. Lower pressures, less stress on the revolver.

There are many revolvers in .38 Special will have similar bullet weights hit the same point of aim as you have already noted. It's true for my Taurus models 65,66, and 85CH.

So, going with the 158gr. Aguilas would be the way to go for defence rounds. Practice with some of the rounds to find out if point of aim is where it's supposed to, if you can.

While I like the +P 125gr. Winchesters the 158 gr. is what the .38 Specials were sighted in for as you pointed out earlier. Hitting the target is more than what you hit it with. Not written in stone.

Do admit to having 158gr. rounds in my revolvers. Practice with the round nosed stuff and then stoke the cylinder up with the lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoints. Did check to make sure which that the 158 grainers that I use do have similar points of impact and this goes out to 25 meters.
 

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How old are these rounds...or...are there more Aguila's roundsthan the Winchester?

The Aguilas can be found by the truck loads, but Winchesters I only found 5. That is the reason I do not want to waste one just see the point of impact. Would have liked to carry the winchesters in the revo(since they should hit harder) and extra 5 Aguilas as spare ammo, but I really do not know the point of impact, and that could count against me en a SD situation, dont you think
 

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Seems that for safety reasons alone, as well as the different points of impact between the Winchesters and the Aguila,carrying the one load from Aguila might be the best way to go.

There is no way to tell exactly where the two different brands, bullet weights, and types might hit on target. This is without being able to test them, even if just a few shots.

Granted, for close up and personal distances ,where there are no barriers between you and the attacker, point of impact may not matter. That is if you have time and the ability to shoot for high center of mass on the body of the attacker.
If the attacker has cover, or gives you little in the way of a target( not much of the person showing physically), then the Winchesters may very well be wasted.

So while I recommend that the possible best way for you may be to stick with the Aguila ammo only, you can choose to do what you want to do. I'm not the guy in your shoes and not in the situation you are.

You can choose to carry the Winchesters as the primary load and the spare ammo as the Aguila. There are situations where this can work even if there are ammo differences that could cause possible troubles. Won't condemn your choice regardless which choice you make.

All we do as staff here is advise on how things can happen or go. The final decision is yours. :)
 

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This is Ironic, a couple of weeks ago I was in a dilema of choosing between the only two makers of ammo I had at hand. Yesterday this all changed in a minute. A friend of mine gave me half a box of .38spl Federal 158gr leadroundnose(red box) this has to be old ammo for the reasons I already explained regarding the imports of US made ammo to my country. Well as a surprise I found in the box 5 rounds of Federal LSWHP +p!!!! and three rounds of W-Super-W SJHP +p(who makes these).
Now I can carry:

Regular Aguila SJHP
Winchester SJHP +P
Fedreal LSWHP +P
W-Super-W SJHP +P
Federal LRN

What would you carry? (rate them)
also this ammo must be old at least 7 years, would you trust 7-10 year old ammo?
Who makes those WsuperW?
What are the weights of these rounds?(any other info is welcome)

Please advise.

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Hello guys got a question for ya. Anyone tried the mexican ammo called Aguila?
My understanding is that Aguilla makes a very interesting 12 gauge round that is shorter and about 2/3 power than a standard 2 3/4" shell. That's all that I know about them.
 

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Thanks doug, you bought that in the states? or you just heard about it? Do you find Aguila in the gun stores regulary?
 
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