Accidental police shooting of Glock blamed on the gun

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pegasus

Discussion Starter · May 18, 2018

https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...l-shooting-blamed-gun/0pPGnnkXQjfJrWUTSYKt0J/

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garyh

· #2 · May 18, 2018

It's always the guns fault. Just ask Taurus.

JeeperCreeper

· #3 · May 18, 2018

Unfortunate, one-in-a-million accident but not entirely unheard of as far as the pins backing out goes. I first heard about that happening here on the forum. I was expecting this to be a dig at what's called news reporting nowadays like when cars do crazy things on their own. The car swerved, the car careened off the cliff, etc. This one seems legit.

Here's to a speedy recovery for the officer involved! :whisky:

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FreeInAZ

· #4 · May 18, 2018 (Edited)

This sounds more like a failure to maintain and inspect said pistol... to me at least?

I have been carrying glock pistols since 1992. I have never seen this happen and my carry pistols see more carry time than most police service pistols do. Because of my need to navigate GFZ's on a regular basis I'd say my pistols also see more holstering/unholstering than most service pistols.

This story (as are most of modern 'news' ) is very light on details like: Was this a new Gen5, or a dedicated range gun some 20 + years old, with millions of rounds down range and multiple refurbishments?

Fair use quote: (FUQ) from the story linked above:

*The May 4 firing range accident occurred after a safety feature on the officer’s Glock failed, said West Carrollton Deputy Police Chief David Wessling.

“There’s a pin in the triggers of Glocks that keeps the safety in place, and the pin had actually worked itself out to the side of the gun to the point that it was sticking out far enough that when he stuck (the gun) in the holster, the pin caught the edge of the holster and pulled the trigger back,” Wessling said.*

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FreeInAZ

· #5 · May 18, 2018

garyh said:
It's always the guns fault. Just ask Taurus.

Well sadly- in Taurus's case that may have actually been their fault... just saying ... stuff does go wrong on large scale at times...

GhostHorse

· #6 · May 18, 2018

I've had pins walk in polymer guns.

Never seen it happen in metal.

The story is plausible, but the pin doing all that walking out of the blue, less so.

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1942bull

· #7 · May 18, 2018

I cannot blame the gun. Guns like all mechanical items can develop problems. It is up to the operator to keep the machine working right. Did the officer not eyeball the gun after firing at the range? He should have. Guns develop most malfunctions when being fired. That is why the gun ought to be given a visual inspection after firing. And if you are going to holster a loaded gun, it would be wise to look at the trigger before doing so. I am sure he will visually inspect the gun after the nest time he gets to fire it.

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ColoradoJim

· #8 · May 18, 2018

I don’t understand how the pin allowed the center safety-doodad to move flush with the trigger and allow the pistol to fire.

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pegasus

Discussion Starter · #9 · May 18, 2018

ColoradoJim said:
I don’t understand how the pin allowed the center safety-doodad to move flush with the trigger and allow the pistol to fire.

I hadn't thought of that, but now that you mention it, I see what you mean. If the pin was sticking out the pressure on the trigger should be on the outside of the trigger, and it shouldn't cause the trigger blade to compress into the trigger (in theory)

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olfarhors

· #10 · May 18, 2018

You know we (firemen) used SCBA ( mask) they were checked yearly for proper performance, the truck driver checked them every morning for any noticeable problem, checked the air level in the tanks etc.
BUT each man had a seat and that seat had a mask in it , guess ultimately whose responsibility it was to make sure the SCBA worked and was safe to use >> ahh yep the guy (girl) that was going to be using it!
if its your equipment then ultimately I see it as your responsibility to make sure its safe.
course that's the way we rolled, and we could also climb ladders!

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jwc007

· #11 · May 18, 2018

Hmmm?........So when will there be a recall?

MOONDAWG

· #12 · May 18, 2018

....Pilot Error...period.

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rhugg

· #13 · May 19, 2018

Seems the safety on the trigger would need depressed also.

So much for 'Glock Perfection'

Just a machine, all machines need inspected and preventive maintenance.

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JeeperCreeper

· #14 · May 19, 2018

pegasus said:
I hadn't thought of that, but now that you mention it, I see what you mean. If the pin was sticking out the pressure on the trigger should be on the outside of the trigger, and it shouldn't cause the trigger blade to compress into the trigger (in theory)

Maybe the pin in question is the pin that holds the "blade" and if the pin came out far enough the blade fell out but was still partially in the trigger itself... see where I'm going with this? Definitely not something you'd expect to have to look for so I could see it going unnoticed.

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BigBlue

· #15 · May 19, 2018

It seems much more likely to me that they went out of their way to place blame on the gun for an accidental discharge by the officer. I've owned or own many Glocks of all generations and have never seen that pin even slightly walk out on any of them.

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Aggie

· #16 · May 19, 2018

It happens.

jtg452

· #17 · May 19, 2018

This is what happens when you forget that Glucks are Top Load only in the dishwasher.

He needs to freeze it in a block of ice for a few months. That way, the plastic has a chance to shrink a little.

Seriously, this is the sort of thing that will happen when you are dealing with lowest common denominator guns, equipment, training and recruitment.

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ColoradoJim

· #18 · May 19, 2018

JeeperCreeper said:
Maybe the pin in question is the pin that holds the "blade" and if the pin came out far enough the blade fell out but was still partially in the trigger itself... see where I'm going with this? Definitely not something you'd expect to have to look for so I could see it going unnoticed.

I would tend to agree but if you look at the way the safety trigger is constructed in the trigger shoe, were the pin not in the actual safety doodad, the only place for it to travel would be backward.

If I am understanding the mechanism correctly, this would not change the necessity for the safety trigger to be depressed in order to fire the gun. The pin could not cause that to happen without additional pressure being applied to the safety trigger.

JeeperCreeper

· #19 · May 19, 2018

ColoradoJim said:
I would tend to agree but if you look at the way the safety trigger is constructed in the trigger shoe, were the pin not in the actual safety doodad, the only place for it to travel would be backward.

If I am understanding the mechanism correctly, this would not change the necessity for the safety trigger to be depressed in order to fire the gun. The pin could not cause that to happen without additional pressure being applied to the safety trigger.

The safety trigger just physically jams up the trigger from moving. If removed, the trigger will still function.

BC605

· #20 · May 19, 2018

JeeperCreeper said:
Maybe the pin in question is the pin that holds the "blade" and if the pin came out far enough the blade fell out but was still partially in the trigger itself... see where I'm going with this? Definitely not something you'd expect to have to look for so I could see it going unnoticed.

My thought exactly.
Pin walked out, blade trigger safety device fell out, pin caught on edge of holster and VIOLA' a new variation on "Glock leg".
If the shooter was a righty, then the pin had to have walked out the left side for him not to feel it sticking out of the side of the trigger.

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