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A new article regarding the Taurus 24/7 from Gunblast. ;D

http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell-Taurus247.htm

A Polymer Consensus: The Taurus 24/7

by R.K. Campbell

March 24th, 2008


There comes a time when the eight track rear drive blue steel and walnut man much take notice of progress. As the pistol I discuss illustrates, true progress is a good thing. For most of my life I have used Smith and Wesson revolvers and Colt automatics. These handguns have served so well for so long in their respective duties I could not ask for anything better. But best is a relative term. Police service and personal defense differs, particularly concerning the individuals level of interest. Civilians tend to practice on their own time and their own dime. I practice, not simply qualify. Recently, a young officer asked if that was a 1911 in my shoulder holster. I replied it was a Springfield LW Government Loaded Model. He replied that only those who practice constantly should carry such a pistol. His investigative duties keep him so busy he preferred a pistol 'simple to use and maintain.' While hard core handgunners may flinch at such at pronouncement he is essentially correct. It all comes down to proficiency and attitude.

The double action only polymer frame pistols are simple enough to maintain and use. Training time is closely scrutinized by bean counting administrators. Training time is diminished by pistols such as the Glock. The Glock was first with the most, and while some of us never warmed up to the 'Glob' it has been enthusiastically accepted and has performed well when called upon. Just the same, over time certain faults have surfaced. When the shortcomings of the pistol are taken into consideration, there is a consensus of what is needed in a service pistol. The Glock is not singled out except in the sense that it is the majority pistol in police holsters at the moment.

When the 1911 was first becoming popular in competition and with some police agencies, a number of shortcomings were observed. The general agreement on upgrades became known as the consensus, and pistolsmiths began offering basic packages that formed a 'consensus'. Consensus pistols featured improved sights, a speed safety, a trigger job and perhaps a ramp polish. By the same token we have reached a general agreement on polymer frame pistol improvement. The consensus pistol would need improved sights, a different trigger action, better hand fit, and superior safety features. Some also asked for a second strike capability in the trigger action and some modification to make the pistols less blocky.

All that was needed was for an enterprising maker to combine superior features in a single pistol and they would sweep the market. Such a handgun requires considerable levels of sophistication in technology and quality monitoring. Process and development issues in a fresh design are considerable. The problem with any process from one man shops to Six Sigma operations is human error. The bane of new products is insufficient testing. Design error, problems with suppliers, and short cuts taken to reach a launch window conspire against the timely introduction of handguns or other products. An emphasis on cost rather than quality may doom a product. While a rush job is not good business, a late introduction may also prove costly. When all of these factors are considered it is praiseworthy when these hurdles are overcome and a successful pistol emerges.

I think that we have a consensus pistol at hand with the Taurus 24/7. The 24/7 addresses key issues with popular service pistols and accomplishes this goal so well there is little room for argument. We have a consensus service/polymer frame pistol that is so good it appeals to traditional shooters as well as fans of the 'black gun.' The pistol is not terribly expensive and offers solid performance. The virtues of light weight, corrosion resistance, and low maintenance associated with polymer frame pistols are maintained in the 24/7. The pistol maintains the simplicity of the type and the manual of arms is quickly learned- load, holster, draw, and fire.

The sights of the 24/7 are a considerable improvement over the blocky sights of many service pistols. Certain versions are fitted with Heinie custom Slant Pro sights. These sights feature the 'Eight Ball' two dot system that some of us appreciate. I do not think the front sight of the 24/7 will be drug on during the draw as has happened with the plastic Glock sight.

The 24/7 features a smooth DAO trigger that differs considerably from other types. The action is smooth and while the weight is advertised at eight pounds, it feels lighter. I disagree with the designation of the 24/7 Pro series as double action/single action. It is true that once the long pull has been taken, you may merely take up slack and have a shorter press but this is also true of the Glock. My definition of double action is that the trigger press raises and drops a hammer. The 24/7 is striker fired. In any case, the Pro action is smooth and consistent. The trigger isn’t prepped against the striker. The 24/7 has a feature that neither the Glock nor the 1911 has: the 24/7 has a second strike capability. If the pistol does not go bang you may simply press the trigger again for another go. In my experience a dud round seldom fires on the second try, but then sometimes it does. Plus, the action allows endless dry fire, which the 1911 and the Glock do not.

The 24/7 breaks down simply enough, but not quite as quickly as the Glock. But it does not have to be decocked - the trigger pressed - to be broken down, which is a plus. True safety is between the ears, not in a mechanical device, but the consensus is that we needed more safety features. The pistol also features an obligatory action lock that firmly locks the piece down with the simple turn of a key.

In hand fit the pistol excels. All who handled and fired the pistol commented on the good hand fit. This is accomplished without the aid of removable grip inserts. Despite the presence of an all steel seventeen round magazine in my personal 9mm version, the pistol features a grip frame that fits most hands quite well. The topping is a rubber overlay of the ribber type first used on Taurus Magnum revolvers. The advantage crosses over to the automatic pistol well. Trigger reach is good. Double action triggers require the trigger finger to sweep down in an arc and press the trigger to the rear while single action triggers allow straight to the rear compression. Slots in the frame similar to those on the 1911A1 pistol allow the trigger reach to be further shortened. Overall the trigger action is very good by DAO standards.

The pistol features the standard internal safety features such as a firing pin block. The great advantage of the design is the manual safety. This safety blocks both the trigger and the slide when applied. I believe that the advantages of the automatic pistol are abrogated when the piece does not have a manual safety. A manual safety may buy time in the face of a gun grabber. I can understand the common verdict by agencies in disallowing officers to carry various Beretta and Smith and Wesson pistols on safe. The slide mounted safety of such pistols is difficult to quickly manipulate and is best manipulated in the holster, when the pistol is drawn. The 24/7 features a frame mounted safety that falls under the thumb as easily as that of the 1911 pistol. The safety may be manipulated on the draw or after the pistols is on target with no loss of speed. The pistol is as safe as the Glock or Smith and Wesson Military and Police if carried with the safety off, but I highly recommend the safety be used on the 24/7. Comments were positive concerning this safety. True safety is between the ears but I applaud this design feature.

There are other features of the 24/7 worth noting. The pistols features a loaded chamber indicator in the form of an extractor that protrudes when the chamber is loaded in Beretta 92 fashion. This gives both a tactile and visual confirmation the piece is loaded. There is the obligatory light rail. I am not certain I wish to turn my handgun into a beacon but the rail is an obligatory feature in order to remain competitive and it is as good as any other.

The pistol's slide is thinner than most at one inch. It is beveled and very good looking, even compared to my revered Browning designed pistols. I will reiterate the obvious: the 24/7 differs considerably in detail from other polymer frame pistols. My person 24/7 is the Long Slide version. The Long Slide is simply a pistol with a 5.25 inch barrel in contrast to the standard four inch barrel version. The longer pistol weighs but 30.5 ounces. The LS version is scarcely longer than the 4.49 inch barrel Glock 17 but somewhat more compact than the Long Slide Glock. The pistol points well and feels good in my hand. The longer sight radius may not be quite as quick on the target at short range but is accurate due to the longer sight radius. An advantage in ballistics is obvious. I ordered the pistol in 9mm Luger because the 9mm is inexpensive to fire and the pistol is an experiment designed to be fired by shooters of diverse ability and experience. My personal preference is for the calibers beginning with a four. Just the same, a 115 grain hollowpoint at 1400 fps is comforting. That's right, 1400 fps. The extra one and one quarter inch of barrel gets the legendary Cor Bon +P loading to 1,400 fps. Cor Bon is a little faster than it used to be and the 4.49 inch Glock and five inch High Power pistols I have tested develop well over the stated 1350 fps. A light, controllable 9mm spitting a well designed bullet out at 1400 fps is a bit of a marvel.

The eighteen round capacity is comforting. Consider the example of Officer Robert Wuller of Philadelphia, the 2006 Officer of the Year. Wuller kicked down a door to confront suspects who had tied a family up and were stabbing some of the family members. He confronted two armed suspects and downed both in a flurry of 9mm rounds. Officer Wuller fired ten rounds - the perps were DOA. Sometimes our protein-fed ex con criminal class can take a lot of hits. The easy shooting 9mm with good loads will do the business. As Robert Wuller proved, the man or woman behind the gun is most important.

My personal 24/7 is a joy to shoot and quite accurate at any reasonable range. Man sized targets are in danger well past fifty yards. At twenty five yards bench rest groups of less than three inches are common with quality ammunition. The Cor Bon 115 grain JHP has given excellent results and so have a number of quality loads and my own handloads. With nearly two thousand rounds in the piece, I am impressed. There have been no failures to feed, chamber, fire or eject.

Issues
Before I am accused of looking through the gun writer's rose colored glasses, let me assure you I have not suspended critical judgment for access. There are issues with the 24/7, but they are at present simply unanswered questions rather than faults. My tests indicate that everything is indeed rosy with the piece but there are hurdles to be overcome.

First, the issue of quality. Taurus was once known as a maker of inexpensive clones of the Smith and Wesson revolver and Beretta automatic pistol. While quality has steadily improved, I maintain that you have always gotten your money's worth with the Taurus line. I recall a time when Taurus revolvers cost about half the tariff for a Smith. Today, Taurus has reached world quality status and the price differential is not as severe although still in Taurus' favor. Recently, Philippine police placed an order for 5,000 Taurus pistols to replace their aging Beretta 92 pistols after a rigorous testing. As far as quality goes, the 24/7 has transcended its roots.

The other shortcoming is a lack of a rigorous police or military test program, although the Philippine's test program is a start. Some years ago the Ohio State Patrol tested nineteen pistol types, ten of each example, for one hundred ninety pistols to the tune of two hundred twenty eight thousand rounds of ammunition. Even mid size agencies test pistols to ten thousand rounds or more, and most smaller agencies rely upon the big guys' test program and buy in on very reasonable 'state contract' prices. In the light of such tests a single example nearing two thousand rounds is interesting but not earth shaking. So, it is very much wait and see. At this point I am enthusiastic concerning the 24/7 and added to my personal battery. The pistol looks good and I am certain rank and file and bean counters alike will take notice.

R.K. Campbell
 

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I read this article earlier and it is awesome. I like how he basically finds something bad to write just so he had something to say bad.
 

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nice article, and good to see someone that isn't looking down their nose at taurus as if it's a "poor man's gun". trust me, i can afford anything in the gun case, but i choose to carry my 24/7
 

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A nice read! Thanx for letting us know about this article!

Dick Metcalf has extensively torture tested 24/7's (and they work very nicely after being run over by a truck) and his article (June 2007) is present on the GunsandAmmomag website. Unfortunately a direct link to it will not work. You have to do a search on it in the handguns article section.

I really like my 9mm 24/7 Pro! It's a keeper!

Edit/Update: The Link to the G&A Site is now working:
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_handguns/trialsoss_042607/index.html

Enjoy!!! ;D
 

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jonyrotten said:
nice article, and good to see someone that isn't looking down their nose at taurus as if it's a "poor man's gun". trust me, i can afford anything in the gun case, but i choose to carry my 24/7
I agree with you. I like the feel of my 24/7 over any other similar guns. I bought my PT1911 because I trust my 24/7 so much I wanted the same reliability.
 

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i don't really care for polymer guns my self, they might be ok for duty but i wouldn't ever get a glock to admire it's finish or construction and say to my self "yup ima make this a family heirloom."

i definitely prefer metal

never really cared for striker designs either.. mostly because i can't manipulate the striker to cock/decock and such.. but also i think hammer fired guns just look better not to mention most striker designs are SA.. I prefer DA/SA

however the 3rd gen mill pros.. which from my understanding have basically the same design as the 24/7 looks to me like a good carry gun.. again not one i'd buy thinking im gonna pass down but it's DA/SA is a feature i really like coming from a striker fired pistol, it doesn't have the stupid M&P,Sigma,XD,Glock double trigger design which i dont like.. has a manual safety, and is priced right.

think taurus had a good idea, im hopping to pick up a milpro at the next gun show.

there was suppose to be one april 5th/6th but some A-hole ran off with the money :(
http://www.peoplesrights.org/articletemplate.asp?id=202
 

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Long time lurker, but have had some time of-late to pop-up on some of these guns sites and leave a word or two. I'm not the world's foremost firearms expert, but have extensive carry experience. Hats off to Taurus on the 24/7 line. My daily carry is a 9mm 24/7 Pro Compact and I couldn't be happier. My closet full of holsters don't interchange well, however I have found most leather applications for Glock 19's will work and have done well slightly modifying Fobus/Kydex products. Just a matter of time and getting some of these molds circulated and we'll have more choices.
 

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Long Ago LEO said:
My closet full of holsters don't interchange well, however I have found most leather applications for Glock 19's will work and have done well slightly modifying Fobus/Kydex products.
Would like to know more about your Mods to Fobus/Kydex Products and they would best be posted here in this thread. http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=4353.0

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Thank you for sharing the article Taurus 9 mm
You're quite welcome Hawk and glad to be of assistance. :)
 

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Wow, may just have to check out a 24/7. I've simply dismissed them as "another" polymer gun in the years past.

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They truly are more than just another polymer gun. I have the 24/7 .45 ACP and I love to take that gun to the range. It is my carry gun and I almost forget it is there.
 

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afrats said:
They truly are more than just another polymer gun. I have the 24/7 .45 ACP and I love to take that gun to the range. It is my carry gun and I almost forget it is there.
Gotta agree here. They are great guns and worth checking out.
 
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