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We can agree to disagree.

Trump owns the 200,000 American deaths. He did not do enough.

Masks work and save lives plain and simple.

Read the scientific data and not idiot posts on this.

we should have had a 100% national mask  wearing law in January.

i had my Filipina wife and Filipino children in a mandatory mask  in January before it was law there.

They are safe and healthy as a result of this early action.
Yep. We are gonna have to disagree on this. I'm a board certified licensed MD and for the record "Masks do not prevent contracting Covid or any other communicable disease." On this, there is no question - read the disclaimers on mask boxes and they say this exact thing. I'm a diabetic with HBP but have refused to wear a mask even when around known active cases of Covid and I'm still kicking. In my 30+ years in medicine I've never taken a flu shot or pneumovax. And I've never come down with with the flu or any other communicable diseases despite being coughed on, farted on, pissed on, crapped on, sweated on, bled on and vomited on. I can also say that keeping people in enclosed spaces, as opposed to out in wide open spaces, encourages spread of communicable diseases. Look throughout history and in every instance in which people have been forced into enclosed spaces, including prisons, and you can see an outbreak which decimated the population. The Black Plague of the Middle Ages - due to rat fleas which flourished in the poor sanitary conditions of the time. The prevailing monarch of the time ordered the people/peasants to stay indoors which just gave the fleas easier access to more people.

You are, of course, entitled to your own beliefs and opinions. You would probably never believe how much I suffered "old wives tales" treatments as a kid. I was a skinny sickly underweight kid and I got sick at the drop of a hat. And that is what probably has been my biggest protector. I never came down with measles, mumps, chickenpox, diphtheria, polio or any other "usual childhood illnesses" of the early '60s but my sister had them all (well, no polio - we were both immunized before age 1; and no smallpox - we were immunized against that, too). You would never match up my 6'5" 250 lb frame now with my 4'4" 75 lb frame at age 5. Bottom line: I've checked and I'm immune to every "usual childhood disease" of my childhood despite never being vaccinated against them and never having them. My point? Your exposure to as many things as possible while you are a kid - when your immune system is at its fastest development - can save you from misery later in life. This is not the first Covid virus mankind has seen. It has existed at least as long as 10,000 years (based on deep ice cores) and won't be the last. It comes around as a local "bug of the week" at least every 5 years or so.

Want to keep wearing masks? Please, be my guest. But don't expect me to allow popular opinion to trump my life experiences and education.
 

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Yep. We are gonna have to disagree on this. I'm a board certified licensed MD and for the record "Masks do not prevent contracting Covid or any other communicable disease." On this, there is no question - read the disclaimers on mask boxes and they say this exact thing. I'm a diabetic with HBP but have refused to wear a mask even when around known active cases of Covid and I'm still kicking. In my 30+ years in medicine I've never taken a flu shot or pneumovax. And I've never come down with with the flu or any other communicable diseases despite being coughed on, farted on, pissed on, crapped on, sweated on, bled on and vomited on. I can also say that keeping people in enclosed spaces, as opposed to out in wide open spaces, encourages spread of communicable diseases. Look throughout history and in every instance in which people have been forced into enclosed spaces, including prisons, and you can see an outbreak which decimated the population. The Black Plague of the Middle Ages - due to rat fleas which flourished in the poor sanitary conditions of the time. The prevailing monarch of the time ordered the people/peasants to stay indoors which just gave the fleas easier access to more people.

You are, of course, entitled to your own beliefs and opinions. You would probably never believe how much I suffered "old wives tales" treatments as a kid. I was a skinny sickly underweight kid and I got sick at the drop of a hat. And that is what probably has been my biggest protector. I never came down with measles, mumps, chickenpox, diphtheria, polio or any other "usual childhood illnesses" of the early '60s but my sister had them all (well, no polio - we were both immunized before age 1; and no smallpox - we were immunized against that, too). You would never match up my 6'5" 250 lb frame now with my 4'4" 75 lb frame at age 5. Bottom line: I've checked and I'm immune to every "usual childhood disease" of my childhood despite never being vaccinated against them and never having them. My point? Your exposure to as many things as possible while you are a kid - when your immune system is at its fastest development - can save you from misery later in life. This is not the first Covid virus mankind has seen. It has existed at least as long as 10,000 years (based on deep ice cores) and won't be the last. It comes around as a local "bug of the week" at least every 5 years or so.

Want to keep wearing masks? Please, be my guest. But don't expect me to allow popular opinion to trump my life experiences and education.
Attn moderators...Nomination for post of the year!
 

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The good doctor needs to get out more. Saturday morning cartoons aren't what they used to be. So five masks get issued. Most will either be worn below the nose or on the chin. In addition, they most won't be laundered, so instead of protecting from the virus, they're now harboring all sorts of other things. Lick the back of your hand. Now smell it. That's what's in your mask that you've worn for the last month. You've just become used to the smell. Do you get a ticket or arrested if it's not worn properly? My point is, even if people had the masks, if they're not going to use or care for them properly, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
 

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If everyone had been given five masks the next headline would have been "Trump to blame for mask shortage,......" Ugh!

I remember many many years ago when Gupta was a real doctor. He is now just another TV hack.
 

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According to Dr. Gupta of CNN, who has an anonymous source. Supposedly Trump could've allowed the US government back in the Spring to give 5 masks to every person in the US and demand they wear them, and 180 thousand people would still be alive today. :rolleyes: There is so much wrong with this story I don't know where to start but some in the MSM are giving it credence anyway, the same way they do with a NY Times story, or an Atlantic story.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-dr-sanjay-gupta-source-80-to-90-percent-covid-deaths-could-have-been-saved

Gupta and his people said we would have 2 MILLION deaths. IMHO Trump's action have save 1.8 MILLION lives. some 95% of the 'deaths' were in the 80-95 years old range. We need to know how many people die in a normal year, compared to a Wuhan Whammy year.. to get a realistic perspcective.
 

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Yea and Nancy, Cuomo and the New York City mayor are on record as saying it was no big deal Trump shouldn't have done what he did do and he was just ruining the Chinese NY celebrations for no reason. Party on!

Cuomo had enough ventilators, the hospital ship and the hospital set up by Franklin Graham was not needed a d how many old folks did Cuomo kill by forcing COVID patients into nursing homes when the nursing homes said they couldn't handle it. Yet Cuomo gets Gov of the year awards by CNN?

Many on the left have shown they are willing to hurt America and side with China to hurt Trump. They have shown they will support the anarchy of BLM (the political organization) and ANTIFA to hurt America and/or Trump.

I'm sure our foreign enemies like this Cancel Culture, ANTIFA, BLM, Soros 'party'.
 

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You know anyone that has worked around a business executive would appreciate Trumps management of the situation vs that of a lifelong politician who is always running for reelection a making decisions based on polls.

What did Obama get done on the flu issue he had? How did he manage it? Compare them.

And Pence also did a good job.

Biden can't even read from a teleprompter, Trump took hours of questions weekly from a hostile CNN, NBC etc. And the expert 'doctor's were not Trump picks, they were long time government 'experts' with agendas themselves.

If there is impartial person to be found do you think they would feel Biden/Harris have 1/2 the leadership ability of Trump/Pence?

Some people solve problems and others look to take advantage of problems.
 

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CNN and the MSM are hog-tied to the left......their reporting borders on fake news. Remember: Television and print news doesn't sell - and the media are all about the sensational. Death rates have been falling; actual sickness rates have been falling - hospitals aren't (if they really ever were) overflowing......and so what do the TV's and print media do? Quick, start reporting how many "Positive" tests are being reported - that's SCARY.......HUGE numbers, but what they don't tell you (because it doesn't fit their sensationalism narrative) is that vast numbers of those who test positive NEVER have ANY symptoms, others never have a temperature, others still have a mix of symptoms, but don't get sick - a positive test isn't being sick!!! NO mask will protect you from the virus - and that's from OSHA! The N95? Designed to be worn in HAZMAT contaminated areas - the mask protects the wearer when they breathe in, but there is NO filter on outgoing breaths - Surgical/medical masks are designed to be worn in STERILE areas and only for short periods of time - after a couple of hours they are no good. T-shirt material and anything else you make a mask out of won't protect you.

It's not about safety, it's ALL about compliance - and control..............
 

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According to Dr. Gupta of CNN, who has an anonymous source. Supposedly Trump could've allowed the US government back in the Spring to give 5 masks to every person in the US and demand they wear them, and 180 thousand people would still be alive today. :rolleyes: There is so much wrong with this story I don't know where to start but some in the MSM are giving it credence anyway, the same way they do with a NY Times story, or an Atlantic story.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-dr-sanjay-gupta-source-80-to-90-percent-covid-deaths-could-have-been-saved
CNN Clinton News Network
 

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Same ignorant brain dead talk as 90% of all Covid19 deaths weren't related to Covid19, it's just coming out of the mouths of a couple crazies on the other side of the coin.
 

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Those that are so convinced masks work should do us a favor and quit breathing out. That will be more effective I assure you.

I am ashamed of Americans intelligence and ability to even ask/challenge things.

Sheep to the slaughter. Watched a Germany movie recently where there is 1 or 2 soldiers with guns and 100's of Jews that know they are getting wacked and they just go.

I'm ready to tell the next sheep that I won't breath out around them...if they don't breath in.

The French revolution saying was something like equality, fraternity, liberty but our socialists think you can have equality of results and have liberty. You can't
 

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Those that are so convinced masks work should do us a favor and quit breathing out. That will be more effective I assure you.

I am ashamed of Americans intelligence and ability to even ask/challenge things.

Sheep to the slaughter. Watched a Germany movie recently where there is 1 or 2 soldiers with guns and 100's of Jews that know they are getting wacked and they just go.

I'm ready to tell the next sheep that I won't breath out around them...if they don't breath in.

The French revolution saying was something like equality, fraternity, liberty but our socialists think you can have equality of results and have liberty. You can't
Very well said. It is sad how so many just believe what they are told and even if the info to back it up doesnt make sense they gave lost the critical thinking skills to evaluate and question it!
 

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It is nice to find some folks that think like I do.
Not often....but it happens.
In my area we are surrounded by people who are completely content
reveling in their fear and paranoia. They almost seem to enjoy it.
They stay in their homes, they talk to each other from across the street.
Every day I see dozens of people wearing masks while driving their car......alone.
I'm trapped in a Rod Serling movie.
 

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Very well said. It is sad how so many just believe what they are told and even if the info to back it up doesnt make sense they gave lost the critical thinking skills to evaluate and question it!
The ONLY reason I put on a mask when I go to the store is because Kay Ivey Alabama Governor caved to the Leftist fraud and made it mandatory. Yet another GOP politician that will not stand up to the Marxist/Globalist lies.


I simply can't deal with the hassle of being arrested given my health. If I was younger...


Yeah, I know it sounds like a cop-out... and I guess it is.


However, I remember a wise saying that you have to "choose your battles".
 

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Those that are so convinced masks work should do us a favor and quit breathing out. That will be more effective I assure you.

I am ashamed of Americans intelligence and ability to even ask/challenge things.

Sheep to the slaughter. Watched a Germany movie recently where there is 1 or 2 soldiers with guns and 100's of Jews that know they are getting wacked and they just go.

I'm ready to tell the next sheep that I won't breath out around them...if they don't breath in.

The French revolution saying was something like equality, fraternity, liberty but our socialists think you can have equality of results and have liberty. You can't
Comparing mask laws to Nazi Germany is ludicrous. Where is the correlation?
 

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Comparing mask laws to Nazi Germany is ludicrous. Where is the correlation?
My guess would be 'tyranny'.
While of course it is obviously not on the same level it is in fact the gov.dictating how you live. Which basically it does anyway.
I think they are testing the waters.........finding out how much they can get away with, finding out how much people will tolerate.
In other words.........how many sheep do they have in their flock that will not question their wisdom.
And they will keep pushing and they will not stop.
 

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I get the thing about the sheep, there are plenty of them everywhere. And I understand tyranny, but this is pretty far from that. This is an unusual situation, there is no clear way out, I think the government is just trying to find us all a way out of this mess. Maybe the masks work, maybe they don't, but some action is better than no action at all.
 

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Lets review:
1. Covid is airborne on breath moisture. (if in doubt find the nearest window and breath on it.)\
2. Covid is very contagious (traveled the world in a few months)
3. Masks filter the air (whether breathing in or out)
4. There is no vaccine yet
5. There is no "cure" after infection
6. Total isolation will prevent transmission
7. Most people recover
8. For those who don't recover, what is the only thing above besides total isolation that would of helped them survive?
Wear a mask and carry a gun. Both are for prevention and survival.
 
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