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New 738--if you put a full mag(6 rnds) into pistol & then try to pull the slide to the rear to "rack" a round into the chamber--it is "impossible" to pull the slide to the rear. It's very hard to even get the mag to lock into the pistol---must "slap" the mags bottom to get it to lock in place. You can insert the mag easier if the slide is in the open position & then hit the slide release to chamber a round; but then you only have 5 rounds in the mag--if you then drop the mag & put a sixth round in --the problem starts all over again. It was advertised a a 6 + 1 pistol--but I guess I can only use it as a 5 + 1. Anyone else have this problem & was there a solution found, short of sending it back to Taurus ???????????????
 

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My PT 145 won't rack on a new, full magazine either. New mags have springs that are very stiff and you'll need to load them full and leave them like that for a week or two. They should relax after some usage. If not, give a call to Customer Service.

And HEY, welcome to the forum from Northern Illinois! Congrats on the new pistol.
 

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Yes, keep those mags loaded and the springs will soon relax and the problem will go away. Just make sure you do not drop a round in the barrel and release the slide on it. That is a good way to break your extractor.
 
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The springs should be relaxed by now since I've had them loaded for the past 2 months...........I'm trying to avoid sending it to Taurus--I was hoping someone else had a similar problem & that they fixed it by--I don't know--maybe bending the lips of the magazine down or something. I have a neighbor who is one of those guys who knows everything from dog doo doo to atomic submarines & his advise is to just go ahead & force the mag in with the 6 rounds & one in the chamber & pull the trigger---unfortunately I don't have that kind of courage because if I can't pull the slide back using all of my strength, I have a feeling that the expanding gases from the fired round might just blow the slide off of the frame & I don't want to be holding the pistol in my hand should that happen.
 

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Have you been firing the pistol over the time that you have had it? Like any machine, they will loosen up after a bit of use. You probably need to call Taurus before too much more time passes, I believe that they only pay for shipping on returns within the first six months. Like any Customer Service phone bank, it's probably best to avoid Monday and Friday calls and also lunch times. The good news is that they are achieving some great turnaround times on repairs.
 

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With the slide locked back, you can load a full magazine into the pistol easier than with the slide closed. When it is closed, the rounds in the magazine are forced down further into the magazine by the slide. That is why you are having to hit the magazine with the palm of your hand. That is not a big deal as a lot of people do this to make sure the magazine is seated. So what your neighbor is telling you is true. If you want 6+1, lock the slide back and insert a fully loaded magazine, release the slide lock and you will chamber a round. Drop the mag and insert another round in the mag and then insert it in the gun with a smack on the bottom of the mag to seat it. You now have 6+1 and you didn't have to pull the slide back with a full mag installed. Not sure why you are worried about the 'expanding gases from the fired round might just blow the slide off'. Every time a round is fired, the expanding gasses cause the slide to travel back to eject the spent casing and on the forward movement, it chambers another round. That is how they work. Now on the mag springs being relaxed after two months, I will tell you that they relax quicker from being compressed and released, as in loading/unloading or the gun having been shot over and over. The gun will break-in between 200-500 rounds. All guns are tight when new. We have two TCP738 - mine and the wife's - and both were very tight when new, but they are much better after continued use. Shoot it and you will be fine.
 

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Thanks for your advice---but---have put 220 rounds thru it & it is still the same---as I stated---using all of my strength, I can't pull the closed slide back to the rear to open it. Now if I can't open it, will the firing of the round have enough power to force the slide back or will the pistol be damaged since the gases from the fired round have to go somewhere & if that pressure can't force the slide to the rear( just as I can't pull it back), it seems that the gas pressure has to go some place--be it up--down--to the sides--or who knows---I was just hoping that someone had an easy fix for this problem, but I guess not; or perhaps I'm not explaining the problem correctly---You see it's not that the pistol is "very tight" but there is some problem with the magazines (both of them) which seems strange---unfortunately it's off to Taurus I guess...
 

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OK - so are you saying it has fired the 220 rounds without a problem except you just can't pull the slide back or is it that it just recently got to this point where you can't pull the slide back? If it was acting normal before and now it is hard to pull it back, I am thinking there is a problem and you should stop shooting it and call Taurus.
 

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Gee, this is tough--As I stated before, you can't pull a closed slide to the rear if a magazine w/6rounds is inserted--w/only 5 rounds in the inserted magazine & the slide closed, you can pull back the slide by hand, but just barely--if you fire the pistol w/5 in the magazine it functions fine---I'm afraid to fire it w/6 in the magazine for fear something BAD could happen---THUS instead of a 6 + 1 pistol, I can only have a 5 + 1 pistol--unless I'm willing to take a chance & pull the trigger w/ a full magazine containing 6 rounds & 1 in the chamber.............It seems that the rounds in the magazine are applying undo pressure to the bottom of the slide--why, I just don't know. The rounds I fired were Winchester white box FMJ (also known as truncated cone) and Winchester ranger JHP---the results are the same with both....it has to be the magazines....
 

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PS: The pistol has done this since day one---since firing it, the problem has gotten no better nor worse.
 

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Short of sending it to Taurus, you need to compare it to another gun like yours. Or, have someone check it out that is familiar with pocket pistols in that size and caliber.
 

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I wish I knew or could find someone with the same pistol; I've been looking, but so far no luck. I'm in Chicago--you'd think that the range would be full of people w/738's--but so far---no......................
 

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The only thing that pops to mind right now is that when the total pressure of a full mag is pressing up against the slide, there must be something burred up on the slide rails.

When you take it apart, does the slide and frame rails look smooth? How about the underside of the slide which holds the ammo down and cocks the hammer?

What do you lube it with? Oil? Grease?

There are a few photos over in this link that you can compare to. Just know that your gun will not look exactly like the polished and cleaned example over there.
 

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Another thing that comes to mind is if you took the magazine apart and did not get it back together the right way. If the spring is in backwards, that last round may be bottoming out the spring in the magazine. Then when it is inserted in the gun with the slide forward, there is no more room to compress the spring more and that creates too much pressure on the slide making it difficult to pull back. Even if you didn't take it apart, you might give it a try. The spring also might be hung up in the follower and not properly seated causing the spring to be compressed a little more. You can take a loaded magazine and see if you can push the top round down about an 1/8 inch. If it won't go down, that is the problem. The spring goes in pointed up toward the front of the magazine.
 

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Bought a PT 738 about a week ago and had the same problem. I was not happy. I first clean the living daylights out it. Then went and ran 150 rds through it, cleaned it again and the mag sets just fine and the slide has loosened up tons.
 

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Bought a PT 738 about a week ago and had the same problem. I was not happy. I first clean the living daylights out it. Then went and ran 150 rds through it, cleaned it again and the mag sets just fine and the slide has loosened up tons.
Welcome to the forum and congrats on your new pistol!
 

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Sonny I bought a new mag a few months ago and had that prob take it apart and see if the mag spring has a bend in it or aint goin down right and put it back together again and it will work out prob.
 

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I have run into another problem with my TCP 380. The mag spring seems to be binding, with 6 rds in 50% of the time when you drop the mag all but the last round will just come falling out loose. I have fired the gun with no issues, I have taken the mag apart and looked at the spring. Spring seems fine, not too much lube on it but not too little either. Any ideas?:confused:
 

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I have run into another problem with my TCP 380. The mag spring seems to be binding, with 6 rds in 50% of the time when you drop the mag all but the last round will just come falling out loose. I have fired the gun with no issues, I have taken the mag apart and looked at the spring. Spring seems fine, not too much lube on it but not too little either. Any ideas?:confused:
You may get a better response if you begin a new thread in the "Smithing" section or the "Problems" section. I can't help much with this as I don't own a TCP....yet. :)
 
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