Ammunition For The Self-Defense Firearm.380 ACP (9mm Short, 9x17mm, 9mm Kurz)
Now we're getting into some decent stopping power. The three or four best .380 JHP rounds have better stopping power than ANY bullet fired out of 2" barrel .38 Special snub-nose. All of the Big Five make good hollowpoints for this caliber. The Remington 88 grain JHP is the most reliably-feeding hollowpoint but slightly less effective than the Hydra-shok or Cor-Bon. Reliability is crucial, and thus you must test the rounds before carrying.
I recommend the following two cartridges above all others:
-Federal 90 gr. Hydra-shok (P380HS1 H) - the best standard-pressure .380 JHP load, period.
-Cor-Bon 90 gr. JHP - the most powerful .380 hollowpoint, bar none.
These are the two best .380 loads, and I recommend them for these guns:
SIG/Sauer P230, Beretta 84/85, Browning BDA, CZ-83, H&K P7K3, Walther PPK and PPK/s. The Russian, East German, Chinese and Bulgarian Makarov pistols are apparently perfectly reliable with the hot Cor-Bon, and the strong all-steel construction of these guns should stand up to an infinite amount of these potent rounds. I have heard that the Colt does also well with the hot Cor-Bon JHP, which you should definitely look into if you own a Colt .380. You have better stopping power than any .38 snub-nose revolver (the long-time favorite concealment sidearm) when you load your .380 with these two rounds.
Other good .380 ACP jacketed hollowpoints:
- Remington 102 gr. Golden Saber BJHP (GS380M) - Another excellent .380 load (the BJHP stands for "Brass Jacketed Hollow Point"), the heaviest one available. I prefer the Cor-Bon and Hydra-shok, but many (including Sanow) like this new Remington round for its deeper penetration. I'll stick with the Cor-Bon and Hydra-shok, but the choice is yours.
- CCI-Speer 90 gr. Gold Dot JHP A good all-around hollowpoint.
- Remington 88 gr. JHP (R380AI): A good high-velocity hollowpoint that feeds well in: Colt Government Model .380, H&K HK4, Taurus PT-58, older PP and PPK, Bersa .380, Beretta 70s, Makarov and Hungarian FEG. These are all good guns that might choke on other hollowpoints but they will probably feed the Remington fine. This hollowpoint was redesigned in 1993 and gives excellent performance while retaining its rounded shape for positive feeding. If your .380 chokes on other JHP loads, try fifty rounds of the Remington 88 gr. through your gun and see if it improves.
.380 ACP hollowpoints to avoid:
-Winchester 85 gr Silvertip (X380ASHP) I really cannot recommend this weak and jam-prone round. It works reliably in a few modern European guns (e.g. SIG 230, Beretta 84F), but every load named above offers better performance. The Silvertip will likely jam in any American-made .380 automatic. Russian .380 Makarovs and PPK series guns may jam with the Silvertip, as well. The .380 Silvertip was once state-of-the-art, but has since been superceded by superior designs. It is also quite expensive. Look elsewhere.
- PMC-Eldorado Starfire 95 gr. JHP This round is similarly weak and jam-prone.
- Federal 90 gr. JHP (380BP) (see below)
- Hornady 90 gr. XTP-HP (9010) Both the Federal 380BP and the Hornady XTP-HP never expand and may jam many guns due to their truncated-cone bullet nose profiles. Pass by these two.
No such thing as a one shot stop UNLESS it's a hit to the central nervous sytem.Brain or spine.The best self defense rounds are the ones that hit the intended target.
You can use them if you want. But the fmj wound channel is typically 1/3-1/2 the bullet diameter. Sort of like sticking them with an ice pick. Attacks are stopped by causing the attacker to lose interest. Maybe the sound of the gun racking does it. Maybe "just a flesh wound" does it. Maybe. Typically those things don't do it, especially with a determined attacker or one on drugs. Then you must cause enough damage inside the attacker to MAKE THEM lose interest. Yeah, a lucky hit to a nerve center will work. But a wider wound channel with cut flesh will cause dramatically greater bleeding than a pierced wound from a fmj. Bleeding causes the body to shut down and the attack to stop.Without getting into a debate I see nothing wrong using fmj.On average they penetrate considerably deeper then hp.Even the new ones.What you lose in width you gain in depth.Also better chance to hit the spine.Over penetration is OVER rated.Just my 2.
Thats exactly the case, with all the so called 380 Plus P rounds!Look at - Ballistics 101.com for a listing of most all cartidges.
I talked to one the engineers at BB and was told that the +P used on some ammo is just a advertising ploy to promot a load that is just loaded to a saami max and not down loaded like so many loads out there. Makes sense that they would not build a load that was something to cause them issues over.
I don't know??No such thing as a one shot stop UNLESS it's a hit to the central nervous sytem.Brain or spine.The best self defense rounds are the ones that hit the intended target.
well over penetration is over rated only "IF" you are not in the line of fire or behind someone that "IS" in the line of fire!Without getting into a debate I see nothing wrong using fmj.On average they penetrate considerably deeper then hp.Even the new ones.What you lose in width you gain in depth.Also better chance to hit the spine.Over penetration is OVER rated.Just my 2.
Theoretically, hydrostatic shock can be effective... if you have enough. Typically something about 110gr traveling at 3000 f/s is the minimum to generate "effective" hydrostatic shock - sometimes! Starts to get more effective at 150 gr and 2700f/s like from a .308 or 30-06. But even with MORE powerful rounds there are always cases where the only issue is blood loss. Just because you shoot a big round, you can't count on the magic bullet. Accurate bullet placement resulting in blood loss, that's the only sure way to stop an attack.I don't know??
I think pretty much a 50 caliber projectile fram a barrett would pretty much stop most any man regardless of a brain or spine hit or not!
If you place enough hydrostatic shock (energy)in the body the brain quits wanting to operate!
so as always it "DEPENDS" on what we are talking about.