Amen to that. Some hot loads are available from Grizzly Cartridge and Buffalo Bore. The .480 is a well thought out round. Too bad it didn't catch on. Seems like there is a small but loyal following.teacherboy said:Thanks for the tips. I love my 480 and if you reload you can really make some very powerful loads. Plus you can do it with heavier bullets than can be used in the 454. It's a very fun gun to shoot. I'm also considering a Puma stainless lever gun in 480 as a companion rifle. I think it would make an awesome walking around deer gun out to 150 yards.