[GreenWolf70]

I have never heard of this, but Starline is making brass for it.

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....imed-pistol-brass-cowboy-45-special-100-count

 

[olfarhors]

HMM?? they mention Rifle Brass in the advertisement / description, so it must be a specialty round for cowboy competition?

 

[TonyC2639]

The Cowboy .45 Special is a case that is optimized for use with light loads in .45 Colt caliber revolvers for Cowboy Action Shooting. Light loads with excessive airspace are a recipe for case splits and erratic function. By using the Cowboy .45 Special case, with its .45 Colt rim and .45 Auto length, the problem no longer exists. While many claim that .45 Auto load data can be used in this caliber, it is important to realize the limitations of the firearm it is chambered in and only use loads that fall within the pressure range of that firearm. Generally these can be loaded using .45 Colt dies and a modified (shortened) crimp die, or .45 Auto Rim roll crimp die.

You might be mistakenly thinking I'm smart right about now but I cut and pasted that from the Starline web site.

 

[jimb1972]

Wouldn't that be the 45 Schofield or pretty darn close to it?

 

[glenwolde]

Wouldn't that be the 45 Schofield or pretty darn close to it?

It's shorter than the Schofield, which is more like 1.10".

I hereby dub it the .45 Short Schofield. I don't like the "Special" designation since it's shorter than the Schofield.

 

[jtg452]

It was originally called the .45 Cowboy Special or .45CS.

It was developed by a guy out in NM to run super light.452 bullets for CAS shooting. He even developed a .452 125gr (that ain't a typo, one hundred and twenty-five grains) hollow based bullet for it, too. The idea was to be able to download a .45 to the same level the .38 primer powered popcorn shooters were loading to back before the power factor rules were developed without all of the irratic pressures and dangers of trying it with a longer case.

In other words, it was made for folks looking for an equipment advantage to offset their lack of speed or those that were sort of fast that were looking for a bit of a boost.

A 'smith even turned out some lifters for Uberti toggle links that were made specifically to feed them reliably in .45 '73's and '66's.

Never had a use for it myself but I followed the updates on its'development on the SASS WIRE back when he was working it up.

 

[Czechbikr]

Is this a solution searching for a problem? I was under the impression that Trail Boss was created for the genre and when I use it for 44 Magnum the loft fills the case nicely and even makes a 240 grain PFM feel like a powder puff in my Marlin.

 

[Aggie]

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2013/12/18/a-new-cartridge/

 

[Doctordeere]

Is this a solution searching for a problem?

Only if the Government is involved...

 

[GreenWolf70]

Oh so is it "Special" in the Southern sense, or the Cowboy sense?

 

[gbusmech]

Is this a solution searching for a problem? I was under the impression that Trail Boss was created for the genre and when I use it for 44 Magnum the loft fills the case nicely and even makes a 240 grain PFM feel like a powder puff in my Marlin.

My CASS .45 Colt load is with Trail Boss, at 5.0 grains it fills a large portion of the case and is very consistent and clean burning. For those who have never used Trail Boss this powder is very bulky and light a typical 1 pound container will only hold about 9 oz. of Trail Boss and the powder it self is very odd to look at as it resembles miniature Cheerio's or washers.

 

[NativeTexan]

the cowboy .45 special is a case that is optimized for use with light loads in .45 colt caliber revolvers for cowboy action shooting. Light loads with excessive airspace are a recipe for case splits and erratic function. By using the cowboy .45 special case, with its .45 colt rim and .45 auto length, the problem no longer exists. While many claim that .45 auto load data can be used in this caliber, it is important to realize the limitations of the firearm it is chambered in and only use loads that fall within the pressure range of that firearm. Generally these can be loaded using .45 colt dies and a modified (shortened) crimp die, or .45 auto rim roll crimp die.

You might be mistakenly thinking i'm smart right about now but i cut and pasted that from the starline web site.

Cheater!!!!

 

[Smokewagon]

Many refer to the .45 Colt, as .45 Long Colt. That looks like a .45 Short Colt.

 

[terryb]

brings to mind a comment our rifle director made way back when the AR15 really hit the high power competition on why muzzle brakes were not allowed. "if an AR15 has too much recoil for you, maybe you need to find another sport". Yes he was a retired marine gunny.

 

[jtg452]

Oh so is it "Special" in the Southern sense, or the Cowboy sense?

My vote is for Southern.

 

[NativeTexan]

Use black powder, as Sam Colt intended, and no worries about big brass!

 

[jtg452]

Use black powder, as Sam Colt intended, and no worries about big brass!

Folks have tried the .45CS and the One True Powder. If I remember correctly, 777 worked better with the short case and all. Personally, I don't see the attraction of loading that light but that's just me.

 

[NativeTexan]

Folks have tried the .45CS and the One True Powder. If I remember correctly, 777 worked better with the short case and all. Personally, I don't see the attraction of loading that light but that's just me.

I'm sure it's for speed. CAS guys are gamers, not realistic real world shooters, just like most other games. I shot IDPA for a while, had to meet a minimum "power factor", but this was easily done in 9x19 unlike IPSC. I loaded it JUST hot enough to make the minimum power factor with a 115 grain bullet.

 

[GreenWolf70]

Cheater!!!!

Goes both ways!

 

[olfarhors]

Use black powder, as Sam Colt intended, and no worries about big brass!

WELL NOW!
there is always the 45 GAP too!!!
you know the one the guys at Glock decided was going to change the world simply because it was made by Glock.
that should be easy to down load.