There are some good gelatin tests on there. That's some good info for those looking to determine what type of ammo to use in their Judge. I was impressed with the 45LC retaining it's bullet weight and penetrating 10+ inches. I wasn't impressed with the PDX .410 load. I thought the Winchester Super X 2.5 in load did alot better, along with the Federal. After seeing how the Federal grouped better than the Winchester that will be my load of choice. Great penetration and a tighter group? Can't beat that! I think I'll be carrying those along with the 45lc.