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So I have come across the opportunity to pick up 152gr lswchp bullets. They are made from wheel weights which I am guessing is a bh of 10-12. Was thinking of picking a couple hundred of them to use for some 38 +p or magnum self defense loads in the furture. What is everyones opinion on this kind of bullet for defense loads.

I know buffalo bore uses 8 bh lswchp for there hot .38 +p loads that is gaschecked pushing 380+ ft lbs of energy with nice expansion.
 

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So I have come across the opportunity to pick up 152gr lswchp bullets. They are made from wheel weights which I am guessing is a bh of 10-12. Was thinking of picking a couple hundred of them to use for some 38 +p or magnum self defense loads in the furture. What is everyones opinion on this kind of bullet for defense loads.

I know buffalo bore uses 8 bh lswchp for there hot .38 +p loads that is gaschecked pushing 380+ ft lbs of energy with nice expansion.
If they are 10 - 12 BHN and not poly-coated, I'd load them in .38 Sp. unless you want to scrape lead from your .357 Magnum loads. ;)
 

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So I have come across the opportunity to pick up 152gr lswchp bullets. They are made from wheel weights which I am guessing is a bh of 10-12. Was thinking of picking a couple hundred of them to use for some 38 +p or magnum self defense loads in the furture. What is everyones opinion on this kind of bullet for defense loads.

I know buffalo bore uses 8 bh lswchp for there hot .38 +p loads that is gaschecked pushing 380+ ft lbs of energy with nice expansion.
If they are 10 - 12 BHN and not poly-coated, I'd load them in .38 Sp. unless you want to scrape lead from your .357 Magnum loads. <img src="http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/images/smilies/gr_wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
Lol yep .38 special + p is the most I would push them that soft. Using the bh18 for some magnum loads poly coated
 

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If you gas-check a softer bullet that becomes a whole 'nother story. Buffalo Bore does that to reduce leading while getting expansion from the soft bullet at .38 velocities. You can't compare the two.

I'm with 57K... I'd leave those for .38 loads. While I do not personally use handloads for self-defense, but at .38 +P velocities that bullet should pretty much duplicate the old .38 FBI load. Which by the way leaded like hell...but those were swaged pure lead bullets.

I've removed enough lead from revolver barrels to know how to do it without it being the end of the world. Not what I call a fun time but not that big of a deal. But there was a learning curve. If you've never done it, avoid it....like....the....plague... Unless you want to actually learn how to remove lead. But that would be weird.
 

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yep!
Kind of like the old Speer keith style half jacketed hollow point they produced many moons ago!
the front end was a soft lead hollow point, then a half jacket was on the base , they thing had a huge bearing surface and could be pushed like a bat out of hell due to the jacket.
amazing destruction on game animals, and i am sure human animals as well.
they came in 38/357, 41 and 44 best that I remember.
 
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yep!
Kind of like the old Speer keith style half jacketed hollow point they produced many moons ago!
the front end was a soft lead hollow point, then a half jacket was on the base , they thing had a huge bearing surface and could be pushed like a bat out of hell due to the jacket.
amazing destruction on game animals, and i am sure human animals as well.
they came in 38/357, 41 and 44 best that I remember.
I still have a couple of hundred of those Speer .429 HP I bought them back in 1985 or so.
 

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yep!
Kind of like the old Speer keith style half jacketed hollow point they produced many moons ago!
the front end was a soft lead hollow point, then a half jacket was on the base , they thing had a huge bearing surface and could be pushed like a bat out of hell due to the jacket.
amazing destruction on game animals, and i am sure human animals as well.
they came in 38/357, 41 and 44 best that I remember.
...and they were also famous for leaving the half-jacket in the barrel if you loaded them too light....probably why they are gone.
 

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...and they were also famous for leaving the half-jacket in the barrel if you loaded them too light....probably why they are gone.
Wherever you've been, glad you made it back!

On the bright side, if they're .358" or greater in diameter, they'd be great for slugging .355" to .357" bores! ;)
 

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...and they were also famous for leaving the half-jacket in the barrel if you loaded them too light....probably why they are gone.
XACTLY!!
and you have to ask yourself who with virtually any knowledge of reloading would try to down load such a projectile?
isn't that what lead projectiles are for?
in 41 mag these things would leave a hole in a white tail deer that you could almost put your hand in on the exit side.
 

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I still have a couple of hundred of those Speer .429 HP I bought them back in 1985 or so.
ahh yes the old 43 magnum!
I don't think that I have any remaining in 41 mag and if I do they are already loaded.
I really need to get that old DW out and shoot it!
 

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I haven't shot my Model 29 in quite a few years now. Yes those speer bullets I loaded hot and they were devastating on deer. I actually shot one in self defense with the Model 29. I was sitting with my back against a tree on a steep hill and one of my hunting buddies kicked some out on top of the hill. Well I heard them coming turned backed to look up the hill and they were coming straight at me, pulled the revolver looking for a buck but they were all does. They came down the hill and the lead doe was about to step on me, it was so close I could have punched it in the head. I yelled at it ,got off my but and to a kneeling position well she stood on her hind legs and her front hoofs were coming at me like punches. I shot that doe in the chest at point blank range, there was powder residue on her hide.
 

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Damn Terrorist White Tails!!!
never had a Deer do that to me, course I almost always hunted here form an elevated stand in a tree.
They are funny as hell to watch when they don't know you are there!
 

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You can always go look at Missouri Bullets and compare the Brinell hardness differences between 38 special bullets and 357 mag bullets. I think those will be just fine for 38 special +P loads.
 

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So I have come across the opportunity to pick up 152gr lswchp bullets. They are made from wheel weights which I am guessing is a bh of 10-12. Was thinking of picking a couple hundred of them to use for some 38 +p or magnum self defense loads in the furture. What is everyones opinion on this kind of bullet for defense loads.

I know buffalo bore uses 8 bh lswchp for there hot .38 +p loads that is gaschecked pushing 380+ ft lbs of energy with nice expansion.
While in the guessing mode, also guess how much of other metals (mainly zinc) is in those bullets. Lead and zinc mix, but definitely do not make good pistol bullets. The warnings about leading are given for a reason. When shooting them, check your barrel often, and save yourself a headache.

The old Keith-style molds used to cast at 157-158 grains with Lyman #2 alloy. Zinc, being much lighter might make 152 gr, though I don't know for sure - I've always been quite careful of my alloy mix regarding metal from scrap.

As has been said above by others, keep velocities low - and be sure they are lubed with something good. Alox/beeswax has always served me well, though the modern lubes are less messy and frequently less smoky.

And all the above is to be weighed against the cost of the projectiles. You know, cost vs. percieved savings/benefit.


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I fired lead bullets in calibers .45ACP, 38-Special and +P, 357-Mag, 9mm, 40S&W, .44-Mag and .45-Colt . I used Lasercast exclusively. I also learned to put a bees wax wad under the bullet and experienced very little leading. The bees wax seemed to actually push out some of the accumulated lead, what little there was.

I cut the wads myself. I buy thin sheets of the wax and cut with shell casing of the caliber I want. Cut the head off a case and you will have a punch that you do not need to stop to empty. Ideal air temp for this is 72-degrees to slightly more. Hotter, and the wads stick in the punch. Colder, and you will have to press hard to cut the wads. You will have a fair amount of scrap was left over from each sheet. I just collected it and smooshed some together into another wad. Not perfect, but saved the wax.

I believe the use of even relatively soft lead will benefit from the wax wads. Pure lead may benefit as well, but I found that I still experienced leading in .45ACP. .44-Mag and .45-Colt. Therefore, I stick with Lasercast as much as possible.
 
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