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    "Not a range gun"

    This is a response to a common sentiment that I saw in some of the recently resurrected 856 threads here, but it didn't start there. I see it in on just about every firearms forum whenever someone talks about a snub nosed revolver of any stripe, so this isn't pointed towards any member in particular, just a general internet idea.

    "It's not a range gun"

    "It's only for up close"

    "It's not accurate past 21 feet"


    I 100% disagree with all of those statements. What's more, you can see the thought process there. Of course it's not accurate for a shooter who chooses not to shoot it at the range. You mean a gun you don't practice with is going to be inaccurate and difficult to use? You don't say... is it you or the gun that isn't accurate past 21 feet? This is a bunch of Internet Hooey, plain and simple.

    Yes, practice with it. If it's unpleasant, make some changes. Get a bigger grip on it to practice with. Get ammo that's softer shooting to start practicing with. It's not difficult to mitigate a certain amount of unnecessary recoil with a revolver. Start soft, train, work your way up from there. It takes very little to start. Get a snubby with a hammer and practice starting with SA shooting. Move up to DA once you've got a handle on it.

    Unless you have a medical condition, you can get used to recoil. If you want to lift 300lbs, you don't start with 300lbs, do you? You start small and work your way up. Start with soft shooting ammo, master the recoil, move up, master the recoil.... this is much easier than many imagine. Your hands become stronger, your wrists become stronger, recoil becomes meaningless. You start staying on target more.

    But the front sight is impossible to see! Paint it. I paint the front blade white on my black snubs, orange on my stainless ones. It makes a huge difference, especially with follow up shots. Again, this is an area where practice and use mitigates the issues.

    Snubbies are accurate. Their shooters, not so much. It takes training and practice, and if you're not willing to put it in, you may consider a pistol more suitable for your needs. A common piece of advice for people who want a gun to put away "just in case" is to get a revolver. For some reason, people think that means to get a snub nose though. A snubby is really at the higher end of the skill set for revolver use. It takes a lot of training to use them accurately and correctly. A 3-4" bbl steel revolver? Yes, put that away in the sock drawer. At 33oz it's going to absorb a lot of recoil, as are the full size grips. That long barrel is going to make close range point shooting a snap. A 2" 14oz aluminum framed revolver with 2 fingered boot grips... not so much.

    Just my thoughts here, not trying to tell anyone their business.
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    So you're saying there's no such thing as a "range gun"...or I guess rather everything is a "range gun"?

    In a sense you're right, but I have range guns. I'm not going to be using a 6" or 8" revolver anywhere else. That's a range gun to me. But all my guns go to the range.
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    I think of my PT 92 AFS, Sig P 320 45 ACP and PT 1911 SS as range guns as they do not lend themselves to carry due to weight and/or size. If I was in an area for open carry, had the desire and didn't plan to tote it all day, they could be carry guns. They would also be considered "duty" guns.

    You're point is well taken in that short sight radius (snubby or micro pistols) are more difficult to shoot accurately. A silly millimeter ( apologies to Benson and Hedges ) off on the sight line can be a miss by 2 feet at some distance. Many would consider my Taurus 605 a "belly gun" suitable for get off me type scenarios, but I find that I can group all rounds in a 9" paper plate at 30 feet and farther. I still remember the first snub nosed revolver that I fired and wondered where the rounds went since the target had no holes.

    Steadiness, sight picture and trigger control are much more essential the shorter and smaller the handgun. The old quarter trick balanced on the barrel, if there's room, can help with the last.
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    SD/HD, range or just fun, mine meet all these requirements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenwolde View Post
    So you're saying there's no such thing as a "range gun"...or I guess rather everything is a "range gun"?

    In a sense you're right, but I have range guns. I'm not going to be using a 6" or 8" revolver anywhere else. That's a range gun to me. But all my guns go to the range.
    I'm saying snubs are very much a gun to pull out of the sock drawer and take to the range. And, if you do so, you'll find out they are very accurate at distance and can be quite easy and pleasant to shoot. Almost every negative that people label small revolvers with is mitigated with practice at the range.
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    Don't of any way to get an accurate poll, but I'm betting there a million of snub revolvers or compac/subcompac semiautos in end tables/sock drawers that get less than 50 rounds or serious range time a year.

    People are smart enough to put good brakes and tires on their cars/tires but almost no time on the range with the one tool that could save their family or own lives.

    Just like owning a guitar doesn't make you a rock star, owning a gun doesn't make you range super-star.
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    I agree some of my new shooters think the snub is just an easy choice. Then they come out for training and can't keep rounds on a 12X18 at 10 yards. Same with some small semi's. Recently a young mother came out with her EC9S and I watched her send two mags on everything but her 8X10 at 7 yards. She was so frustrated, as she is an excellent rifle shooter. SO we worked on the basics, and how to manage long DA pulls. I like to use the sha-bang method. The initial pull is the "sha" then stop for a second - realign the front site and then the "bang". I literally say to myself sha-bang as I pull those types of DA triggers. I soon had her hitting the 8X10. But the learning curve would have simply taken more time than she had to perfect. So I handed her a G2C and wala! 4 inch group at 12 yards. I ended up selling her that G2C. The next range session she was confident and comfortable and shot great. Dang now gotta buy another G2C!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 357Funtime View Post
    A snubby is really at the higher end of the skill set for revolver use. It takes a lot of training to use them accurately and correctly.
    Totally agree. If you practice, a snubnosed revolver can be accurate well past 21 feet. But someone who never practices could easily miss at ten feet.

    Tiny concealment guns in serious calibers are the sportbikes of the firearms world. Few can operate them well. The ignorant and untrained are ineffective and often dangerous with them. Granted, anyone can be dangerous with any firearm, but I still think the analogy fits. AR-15s are the dumbed down sedans.
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    Quite a few years ago, Mas Ayoob wrote an article in a gun mag that dispelled the notion that snubbies can't be accurate. He has won the snubby revolver competition several years and he can shoot one just about as accurately as a long barreled revolver. If you practice with anything, you'll get better at it.
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