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    Hi guys I really need some help! I have a Taurus Judge publix defender. Love the gun. Just bought a ton of Ammon and brought it to the range, never had a problem with it. But today at the range the revolver wheel would not open at all. The range officers looked at it and they were confused. The wheel is locked and won’t move. The hammer doesn’t engage in single action so the wheel doesn’t spin. And if I pull the trigger nothing happens at all when it should be engaging in double action and making the wheel spin. So my gun is like totally jammed and I don’t wanna send it to Miami for them just to do a simple fix if that’s the case. Also don’t want to send it to a gun smith and pay money if I can fix this myself. I can post videos of the problem I am having.

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    Did you fire a round of .410 and then it jammed?
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    Welcome to the forum from Northern Illinois. I don't own a Judge and have limited gunsmithing skills, but others here do and will be along shortly. I will say that if it's still loaded, that precludes shipping it anywhere.
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    This will be a lot easier to discuss if we all use the same nomenclature. The revolver wheel, for example, is called the cylinder.

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    I'm not (just) saying that and posting this picture to be dogmatic. Given what you're saying, I'd look at the cylinder stop first. If it's bent, that's your problem. Back to Miami, or a good gunsmith.

    The part that causes the cylinder to rotate is called the hand. It's typically located just forward of the latch. When you pull the trigger or cock the hammer, the hand moves from a recessed position in the frame, pushes on the cylinder ratchet, and rotates the cylinder into position for the next shot. The hand could be the issue, but it's much harder to see.

    One of the issues that can make revolvers lock up about the way you describe is if something is protruding forward of the front face of the cylinder (the face closest to the muzzle). This can happen if a revolver projectile comes loose in the case and creeps forward under recoil. It can also happen in a Judge if the plastic of the top of a fired shotshell protrudes past the face of the cylinder. It's easy to tell if that's happened. If you hold a revolver up broadside (like in the drawing above) with a light source behind it, you should see a small gap between the front face of the cylinder and back end (away from the front sight) of the barrel. That end of the barrel is called the forcing cone in a revolver. If you hold up your Judge and can't see light in that cylinder gap, then dollars to donuts that's the issue; something is protruding, and locking the action just like a steel rod placed down the barrel and into the cylinder.

    Had you fired the gun yet when this happened? What size chamber does your Judge have, and did you use the right size shell?

    Oh, and finally, if you're still reading, welcome to the forum!
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    I have never fired .410 shells through it yet. I’ve used high quality 45 long colt through it and it’s always worked just fine. Never had an issue. Thank you all so so much for the replies. The gun is fully unloaded. To my knowledge there is nothing protruding or obstructing anything. They took a look at it at the range and the guy wa s getting frustrated and he said seems to be an internal matter. But he also didn’t seem to knowledgeable. He just kinda tried things here and there and the cylinder didn’t open

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    Okay, that's useful information. And makes the situation safer than it would be with live ammunition in the cylinder.

    When you try to cock the hammer, does it go back but not stay back?

    When you try to pull the trigger, does it move, or is it locked up too?
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    FYI, here's what's inside your Judge. The hand is the dark, vertical piece.

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    See the spring on the rod behind the trigger? I once got a Taurus revolver that exhibited some of what you're describing. The trigger moved with no resistance. All I had to do was put that spring-loaded rod back into the detent on the back of the trigger. Here's hoping your solution is as easy.

    Oh, one more thing; if you decide to take the side plate off, you don't pry it off. You use inertia. If a revolver has a side plate*, you take it off something like this:



    *Rugers and some Charter Arms revolvers don't; much of the mechanism is on a subassembly that comes out with the triggerguard for the Rugers, and the triggerguard and grip frame for the Charters.
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    This is my video. The only way I could post the video to this site it through YouTube link. If you want to see a better angle or see a different part of the gun just specify and I will take another video for you to view. Thanks again so much
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    Okay, that's very helpful. I still don't know a magic fix, but this is informative.

    The trigger needs to be fully forward to cock the hammer and advance the cylinder. So I'm not surprised it did nothing when you pulled it at the beginning of the video. When the trigger is partially pulled, being able to spin the cylinder is not surprising. I don't think I have a revolver that doesn't behave that way.

    The fact that the cylinder isn't advancing when you cock the hammer has to be an issue with the hand. If it never advanced the cylinder, I'd say the hand is damaged. But you were able to get a single correct double action "shot" once or twice, so the hand isn't totally inoperable.

    Here's what I'd suggest; if you are the risk averse, mechanically non-gifted type, I think the odds are very good that a gunsmith could open it up, spot the issue, and have it fixed quickly. Worst case, he needs parts, and then unless he's very skilled, it's back to Miami. Or, if you have a good track record of disassembling things with small, springy parts that like to find dark corners and still successfully getting them back together, you could try opening it up yourself (thereby voiding the warranty, I believe) and seeing if everything looks the way the photo in post seven and whatever other references you can find say it should. You may get lucky like I did; pop one rod back into place, and it works perfectly. Or you may end up sweeping every corner of the room with a magnet to find a tiny, tiny part without which your pistol cannot ever be useful. And then it's back to Miami and no way will it be under warranty.

    I'm not trying to scare you, I just want your eyes to be open before you open the tool drawer.
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    Haha I will never ever open it all up all by myself! I’m honestly so so terrible with all tools and mechanics of any sort sadly. So no way will I ever try to get inside of this thing with no experience at all. If it can easily be fixed by s gun smith I would prefer that if possible and hopefully not too pricey. I don’t wanna send it to Miami and wait for it to come back here if I could just have it fixed pretty quickly at the shop. Thank you very much for your insight. But even if there is a problem with the hand in the gun, why wouldn’t the latch open the cylinder.

 

 
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