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    Re: My first 1911 Taurus vs Para GI Expert ESP

    I was lured by the lifetime transferable warranty. Thousands of rounds later I still like my PT1911 and would not part with it.
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    Re: My first 1911 Taurus vs Para GI Expert ESP

    that is pure horse do-do! on the FN. cast was a cost cutting measure and they tried to spin it to something good.

    no way a casting is as strong as a forging! if that was TRUE my impact sockets would be CAST! LOL!

    i suppose a good casting should be strong enough.

    but do a quick google and you will find a number of people complaining about cracked cast frames and slides.

    i am a bit suspicious of castings myself. properly done they are fine but we should be comparing a rotten casting to a rotten forging with all the china sourced steel floating around!


    i do have two pistols with major cast parts.

    one is a small frame witness 40, the other is a witness match 10mm.--the 10mm has digested some pretty strong loads and i have put the 40 through some punishing 40s that were loaded to longer OAL. neither has shown any sign of breaking.

    however a number of later witnesses with cast frames and slides have broke, esp the 10mm and 45 acp. could be just a bad batch of castings, could be that 12lb recoil spring, could be that cut down rounded slide. but lots of the newer parts have broke for whatever reason.




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    The "Cast vs. Forged" debate sounds a lot like the MIM issue/non-issue. Some quotes from other boards-

    -"What difference does it make? Good cast beats bad forged every time.
    You are buying a company's product based upon their reputation for good products and customer service."

    -"As far as the 1911 goes, my take on it is this:
    If they can make frames out of aluminum that hold up just fine, quality cast steel should not be a problem."

    - "From the magazine GUN WORLD, February 2006 - "Para's high-firepower 9mm LDA" by Duane Thomas
    ..."When I interviewed Joseph Rousseau, the Browning engineer who, working with a team of engineers located at the old FN factory in Belgium, designed the .40 Hi-Power, he reported that in order to adapt that design to the more heavily recoiling cartridge they had to go to a cast frame. FN tried to do it with forged frames but they wouldn't stand up. Cast steel, containing much more carbon, and being more deeply heat treatable for hardness than forged steel, proved far stronger and more durable." "

    Also keep in mind that the renown Caspian frames, used in Sig, NightHawk, and other high dollar pistols, are cast.

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    Re: My first 1911 Taurus vs Para GI Expert ESP

    Having known people who owned double stack paras, they tend to have more problems than single stack, which seems to be rather good.
    I don't think you will go wrong with either the expert or the pt1911.

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    Re: My first 1911 Taurus vs Para GI Expert ESP

    Double stack 1911's are like 12 cylinder Volkswagens!!
    they should not exist!
    at least not in this world!
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    Re: My first 1911 Taurus vs Para GI Expert ESP

    I owned one of the Para GI Experts so will make a couple comments. Mine ran well and fed pretty much anything without causing a problem. It was reasonable accurate and I had no problems to speak of. The finish was not durable at all and the black was rapidly wearing on the edges.
    The things I did not like about it were the plastic parts like the hammer spring housing and trigger. The premature finish wear, and I also prefer a beavertail grip safety .

    While I don't personaly own the PT1911 we had one here as a range rental gun which I fired a few times. I like the Taurus better and it shot extremely well and function was flawless. Just my 2 cents worth but I like the features on the Taurus and although both guns functioned well I just can't get used to plastic parts.

 

 
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