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    Anybody ever use black powder in a cartridge?

    Rifle or pistol?
    Wondering if it still a viable alternative when the real stuff becomes unavailable.
    Or maybe I should get a muzzle loader?




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    Nothing wrong with it. I've shot a lot of BP in .45 Colt in my Ruger Blackhawk. Just fill the case to the base of the bullet and slightly compress it, mag primers work best. Have fun smoking up the range. Clean up with soapy water, dry and lightly oil. I've also shot .38 and .30-30 with it.
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    I use BP and some BP substitutes in 43 Spanish, 45-70, 38-55. I also use smokeless in 45-70 and 38-55; but the 43 Spanish in the old Rolling Block (1879) was never designed to use smokeless. BP works, just different loading and cleaning procedures.

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    The reason I ask is because I have a full pound of Pyrodex RS FFG powder.
    Was actually at one time going to get a .50 smoker, then decided on 30-06 instead.
    But I kept it, and now it looks like it could be useful for reloading shot shells.
    HP-38 is almost impossible to find locally, I only have enough left for 300 rounds of 9mm.
    Just wondering if it could be used for that?




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    A little bit, a long time ago. There's a reason the original black powder revolver rounds had big cases. You need a lot of powder. I doubt you'd get an autoloader to function. I think you're looking at maybe 600 fps with the tiny 9mm case. But I haven't tried it.
    Definition of clip

    1: any of various devices that grip, clasp, or hook
    2: a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles; also : a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm.

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    You could shoot it in the 9mm but it may not cycle the semi-auto action properly.
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    Maybe a little faster. Looks like the .38 Short Colt would be close to the 9mm in case capacity. (listed at 15.6 gr water vs 15.9 gr of water respectively). If you use black powder data for the .38 Short Colt...

    http://www.goexpowder.com/images/Loa...-Revolvers.pdf

    It's an extrapolation..
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    Definition of clip

    1: any of various devices that grip, clasp, or hook
    2: a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles; also : a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm.

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    Experimentation may be in order, but I have no primers, so it'll have to wait.
    But, out of curiosity I mixed up some homemade black powder from the standard formula.
    It isn't really black, more grey than anything.
    And the sulfur is only 90% pure, the other 10% is Calcium Sulfate, but for testing I ignored it.
    Put about a teaspoon in a small stainless steel fruit cup with 3" of safety fuse.
    Took it out back to my backstop, stuck the cup in the sand and lit the fuse.
    Burned for about 3 seconds, big orange flame, lots of smoke, smells like gunpowder.
    For comparison I put the same amount of Pyrodex in another cup, same 3" fuse, lit it.
    POOF!! Not much flame, but lots of smoke. Also smelled like gunpowder.
    I think I'll have to do something with the sulfur to get the impurity out.
    The cup with my powder has some unburned carbon and melted Calcium Sulfate in it.
    The Pyrodex cup is coated with carbon speckles.

    Idea. I will take a 9mm case with no primer, stick a fuse in the flash hole, fill the case 3/4 full with Pyrodex and a wax plug and see what transpires.



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    Quote Originally Posted by glenwolde View Post
    Maybe a little faster. Looks like the .38 Short Colt would be close to the 9mm in case capacity. (listed at 15.6 gr water vs 15.9 gr of water respectively). If you use black powder data for the .38 Short Colt...

    http://www.goexpowder.com/images/Loa...-Revolvers.pdf

    It's an extrapolation..
    Hmmmm. Specifies FFF.
    I wonder if I can grind down the FFG to FFFG?
    I guess I would need a 3F sieve.




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    I hope the back yard chemists have an organ donor card. Before loading any BP cartridge, consult a loading manual. Filling a case with BP and compressing it with a bullet, then shooting it will most likely earn you a trip to the ER. I used to load 45-70 BP loads for an old Trapdoor Springfield I owned and each charge had to be MEASURED not weighed or guessed at. Black powder is an explosive and a powerful one at that.
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