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    Quote Originally Posted by xiholdtruex View Post
    is this what is considered the lee value turrent press?

    https://www.amazon.com/Cast-Aluminum...gateway&sr=8-1
    That is exactly the one. I had a long debate with myself months ago going back and forth trying to decide whether to go with this new Value Press or to go with the new Auto Breech Lock Pro as I needed a press that I could use the 4th die in. I finally decided on the ABLP as again I could migrate everything from my Pro1000 press into the new press.

    I have posted this before but here are a couple videos. One compares the 2 turret presses and the other is also a review of the ABLP with another on the turret press..



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    Loaded some .45acp with ramshot Enforcer, got the chronograph in my car and hope to try them out after dinner tomorrow. Found an article from shooting times after I got some data from 57K, verified it was listed in earlier loading guides. The author said recoil was substantial so it looks like work for the Girsan, hopefully I have some results to post tomorrow night. It should get me to about 1000fps with a 230gn XTP at STANDARD not +P pressures. Really slow powder for non-magnum cartridge, very fine, and flows like hourglass sand. I did not load quite to maximum in case I don't like the load for some reason, less to pull apart. Went from 12.5 to 14.3 in .3gn increments.
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    The ammo elves have been busy this afternoon. They have tumbled 300+ 5.56 cases and loaded another 300 5.56 rounds. Cocktails have begun so the loading is done for the day but the tumbling may continue....especially is there are too many cocktails!

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    Sunday comment: Added another 200 to the loaded cartridge pile and finished off the coffee can of brass to tumble. I'll tell ya those little ammo elves earned their keep this weekend.
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    no loading today--today is Bar b Que day!
    and not that beefy Texas stuff but good old real southern PIG meat ribs!
    but I am tumbling about 600 9 MM cases right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimb1972 View Post
    Loaded some .45acp with ramshot Enforcer, got the chronograph in my car and hope to try them out after dinner tomorrow. Found an article from shooting times after I got some data from 57K, verified it was listed in earlier loading guides. The author said recoil was substantial so it looks like work for the Girsan, hopefully I have some results to post tomorrow night. It should get me to about 1000fps with a 230gn XTP at STANDARD not +P pressures. Really slow powder for non-magnum cartridge, very fine, and flows like hourglass sand. I did not load quite to maximum in case I don't like the load for some reason, less to pull apart. Went from 12.5 to 14.3 in .3gn increments.
    Hopefully, that particular ballistician knew his business. He did a similar thing with .40 S&W, but Rob Behr told me they could not replicate due to lack of powder space with the .40 S&W. Essentially, 10mm performance from a STANDARD pressure load that came in a good bit below 35,000 PSI.

    Otherwise, you describe Enforcer just as I would being one of the finest grained powers I've ever seen. Just submitted my article before the weekend where I used 6 different Western powders to load the 2 - .358" Plated Hollow-Points, one being a 158 gr. that I loaded in .38 for gun games. Above and below 130 PF from a 4.2" GP100 and a 2 1/2" using 4.3 grs. of Accurate No 2. What I didn't mention was that Enforcer gives a good bit more flash than Accurate No 9 which has become my favorite for full-tilt .357 Magnum loads. More experimenting with 11FS to come.

    Had I been looking to get 1000 FPS from a STANDARD pressure load, in case I didn't mention it, Accurate No 7, that mostreloaders would regard as burning too slow for .45 ACP, would get you 1000 FPS, and maybe with 100% or greater load density. Don't know where to begin looking for that data sheet, but it was given to me by Johan Loubser, whom IMO wasn't just the best ballistician Western ever had, but the best ballistician I ever had the pleasure of talking to.

    Even before Western acquired Accurate Powder Co., it was he he gave me an excellent explanation for testing in the CIP system I type so much about. He retired and went back to Northern Europe some years back, but he once told me that it seemed inevitable that SAAMI would eventually go to the CIP method of testing pressure. Then again, I once believed that SAAMI acts in handloader's best interest as well. Since then, I've come to a different conclusion, particularly SAAMI seeing anything other than what they do, being in our best interests,
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    Primed 200 pieces of .357 mag brass in preperation of recieving my rmr bullets.
    Still have another 100 pieces I need to prime to load up some more 158gr swc loads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57K View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimb1972 View Post
    Loaded some .45acp with ramshot Enforcer, got the chronograph in my car and hope to try them out after dinner tomorrow. Found an article from shooting times after I got some data from 57K, verified it was listed in earlier loading guides. The author said recoil was substantial so it looks like work for the Girsan, hopefully I have some results to post tomorrow night. It should get me to about 1000fps with a 230gn XTP at STANDARD not +P pressures. Really slow powder for non-magnum cartridge, very fine, and flows like hourglass sand. I did not load quite to maximum in case I don't like the load for some reason, less to pull apart. Went from 12.5 to 14.3 in .3gn increments.
    Hopefully, that particular ballistician knew his business. He did a similar thing with .40 S&W, but Rob Behr told me they could not replicate due to lack of powder space with the .40 S&W. Essentially, 10mm performance from a STANDARD pressure load that came in a good bit below 35,000 PSI.

    Otherwise, you describe Enforcer just as I would being one of the finest grained powers I've ever seen. Just submitted my article before the weekend where I used 6 different Western powders to load the 2 - .358" Plated Hollow-Points, one being a 158 gr. that I loaded in .38 for gun games. Above and below 130 PF from a 4.2" GP100 and a 2 1/2" using 4.3 grs. of Accurate No 2. What I didn't mention was that Enforcer gives a good bit more flash than Accurate No 9 which has become my favorite for full-tilt .357 Magnum loads. More experimenting with 11FS to come.

    Had I been looking to get 1000 FPS from a STANDARD pressure load, in case I didn't mention it, Accurate No 7, that mostreloaders would regard as burning too slow for .45 ACP, would get you 1000 FPS, and maybe with 100% or greater load density. Don't know where to begin looking for that data sheet, but it was given to me by Johan Loubser, whom IMO wasn't just the best ballistician Western ever had, but the best ballistician I ever had the pleasure of talking to.

    Even before Western acquired Accurate Powder Co., it was he he gave me an excellent explanation for testing in the CIP system I type so much about. He retired and went back to Northern Europe some years back, but he once told me that it seemed inevitable that SAAMI would eventually go to the CIP method of testing pressure. Then again, I once believed that SAAMI acts in handloader's best interest as well. Since then, I've come to a different conclusion, particularly SAAMI seeing anything other that what they do being in our best interests, <img src="https://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/images/smilies/gr_wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
    Would you prefer accurate number 9 vs true blue to achieve 500 ft lbs of energy at minimum from a snub or would you suggest 2400 or h110?

    Once I get my chronograph and finally find a range I am hoping to make my own def loads vs buying 20 rounds for 25$
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57K View Post
    Hopefully, that particular ballistician knew his business. He did a similar thing with .40 S&W, but Rob Behr told me they could not replicate due to lack of powder space with the .40 S&W. Essentially, 10mm performance from a STANDARD pressure load that came in a good bit below 35,000 PSI.

    Otherwise, you describe Enforcer just as I would being one of the finest grained powers I've ever seen. Just submitted my article before the weekend where I used 6 different Western powders to load the 2 - .358" Plated Hollow-Points, one being a 158 gr. that I loaded in .38 for gun games. Above and below 130 PF from a 4.2" GP100 and a 2 1/2" using 4.3 grs. of Accurate No 2. What I didn't mention was that Enforcer gives a good bit more flash than Accurate No 9 which has become my favorite for full-tilt .357 Magnum loads. More experimenting with 11FS to come.

    Had I been looking to get 1000 FPS from a STANDARD pressure load, in case I didn't mention it, Accurate No 7, that mostreloaders would regard as burning too slow for .45 ACP, would get you 1000 FPS, and maybe with 100% or greater load density. Don't know where to begin looking for that data sheet, but it was given to me by Johan Loubser, whom IMO wasn't just the best ballistician Western ever had, but the best ballistician I ever had the pleasure of talking to.

    Even before Western acquired Accurate Powder Co., it was he he gave me an excellent explanation for testing in the CIP system I type so much about. He retired and went back to Northern Europe some years back, but he once told me that it seemed inevitable that SAAMI would eventually go to the CIP method of testing pressure. Then again, I once believed that SAAMI acts in handloader's best interest as well. Since then, I've come to a different conclusion, particularly SAAMI seeing anything other that what they do being in our best interests,
    Whoooeee! Those things were a blast. No chronograph data because I got out there too late and I was shooting almost directly into the sun (chronograph is a shooting chrony alpha) but boy did those things ring the hell out of some steel! On the down side the slide velocity was so high that with the 14.3gn loads I was starting to have some issues with feeding. I will be ordering some higher pressure recoil springs and a buffer, the Girsan took the punishment like a champ though. I will be loading some more at 14.0 and 14.3 so I can try to get some data on a better day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xiholdtruex View Post
    Would you prefer accurate number 9 vs true blue to achieve 500 ft lbs of energy at minimum from a snub or would you suggest 2400 or h110?

    Once I get my chronograph and finally find a range I am hoping to make my own def loads vs buying 20 rounds for 25$
    That, my young friend is a question I have myself, but in terms of a cartridge that I can only mention in passing. It doesn't exist, as yet. The load I made with True Blue for the 2 3/4" Speed-Six in .357 Magnum that I chrono'd back in 2013, and somehow managed to keep some until now, was at 1275 FPS.

    In case anyone starting out should wonder, there are a couple of ways to calculate Muzzle Energy. If you already know one, this will appear to be elementary, and so intended to be. Velocity Squared, simple velocity x velocity, times bullet weight divided by 450240. The divisor is not critical in case you've seen listed differently. The last whole number will be the same anyway, and 4 place decimal accuracy would be for the geek, whom I might not want to know! From the Momentum calculation, you simply use a divisor of 2 for velocity, multiplied by momentum. For the true measurement for Momentum, that is Bullet weight / 225128 (skipping and inconsequential step) x velocity, where the answer will be in Pound Seconds, that I type as Lb-seconds. Usually below 1 until you get to some of the greater THUMPERS!

    So, yes, according to the data, and as I would load a Hornady 125 gr XTP, 500 Ft/lbs can be achieved fairly easily with True Blue. I would advise, however, data from the Lyman 49th or later, as well as the P&R III. As to what flash will be like with No 9, well, I'm kind of overdue for a shoot after dusk. No 7 is also completely capable. But ultimately, the highest velocity will come from No 9! That with the caveat I mentioned before, I'm just getting started with 11FS that is Flash Suppressed. With the loads I've shot, the data was suspiciously low which resulted in some powder granules escaping the flash gap. Honestly though, for short barrel .357 Magnum loads, I feel a bit better about 135 and 140 gr. JHPs.

    I've never had much interest in using W296/H110 because of muzzleblast they give. Considering 2400 is a double-based flake powder, those typically come with flash included in the price. Back before some reported issues, many years ago, Blue Dot was actually capable of the highest velocity in .357 magnum depending on whose data you were looking at. I started using spherical powders exclusively as a result of the Blue Dot debacle. Some of the finer grained and densest sphericals can have twice the density of flake powders. Even still, I ain't looking to buy any, but I would give BE-86 a try, if I had a sample.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57K View Post
    That, my young friend is a question I have myself, but in terms of a cartridge that I can only mention in passing. It doesn't exist, as yet. The load I made with True Blue for the 2 3/4" Speed-Six in .357 Magnum that I chrono'd back in 2013, and somehow managed to keep some until now, was at 1275 FPS.

    In case anyone starting out should wonder, there are a couple of ways to calculate Muzzle Energy. If you already know one, this will appear to be elementary, and so intended to be. Velocity Squared, simple velocity x velocity, times bullet weight divided by 450240. The divisor is not critical in case you've seen listed differently. The last whole number will be the same anyway, and 4 place decimal accuracy would be for the geek, whom I might not want to know! From the Momentum calculation, you simply use a divisor of 2 for velocity, multiplied by momentum. For the true measurement for Momentum, that is Bullet weight / 225128 (skipping and inconsequential step) x velocity, where the answer will be in Pound Seconds, that I type as Lb-seconds. Usually below 1 until you get to some of the greater THUMPERS!

    So, yes, according to the data, and as I would load a Hornady 125 gr XTP, 500 Ft/lbs can be achieved fairly easily with True Blue. I would advise, however, data from the Lyman 49th or later, as well as the P&R III. As to what flash will be like with No 9, well, I'm kind of overdue for a shoot after dusk. No 7 is also completely capable. But ultimately, the highest velocity will come from No 9! That with the caveat I mentioned before, I'm just getting started with 11FS that is Flash Suppressed. With the loads I've shot, the data was suspiciously low which resulted in some powder granules escaping the flash gap. Honestly though, for short barrel .357 Magnum loads, I feel a bit better about 135 and 140 gr. JHPs.

    I've never had much interest in using W296/H110 because of muzzleblast they give. Considering 2400 is a double-based flake powder, those typically come with flash included in the price. Back before some reported issues, many years ago, Blue Dot was actually capable of the highest velocity in .357 magnum depending on whose data you were looking at. I started using spherical powders exclusively as a result of the Blue Dot debacle. Some of the finer grained and densest sphericals can have twice the density of flake powders. Even still, I ain't looking to buy any, but I would give BE-86 a try, if I had a sample.

    Im defintly looking into the 140 xtps or ftx. Idk what double tap uses but the load which I carry at the moment has no flash I can see compared to the hp38 lol that hp-38 with lead bullets is a flame thrower.

    I am liking cfe pistol but from the numbers I see in the load data (my lyman is the 48th) from hodgdon it does not look possible to produce 500ft lbs of energy from it. Double taps current load out of a 605 produces 0.791 ft sec of momentum and 564ft lbs with 125

    then again we will always sacrafice one thing for another.

    we should make a 57k BE-86 fund lol

    how is the flash with true blue?
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