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    swapped out a KAK Shockwave for a SB Tactical sba3

    EDIT: opps...should have put this in the pistol section










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    I would agree with that trade! The short shotgun thing just doesn't do anything for me. Has anyone really ever put their arm through one of those braces?! I know I wouldn't, just give me the blade type of brace you have there.

    Enjoy your new "pistol"!
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    I am waiting for a bit for prices and supply to level out but i think my old mossberg 500 with regular and 18" barrels and my 20 gauge shockwave are both going to be finding new homes and the $ going to a KS7 filled witt a dozen mini-shells as my house gun.

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    Anyone ever shoot a 10" AR over a chronograph to see how much is lost by the short barrel?
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    I used to have the KAK brace but swapped it out for a SIG. I've just never liked the blade brace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NativeTexan View Post
    Anyone ever shoot a 10" AR over a chronograph to see how much is lost by the short barrel?
    There's a number of youtube videos examining this. Seems like it's several hundred (~400) feet per second going from 16" to 10" in 5.56/.223 but only about 100 or so for .300 BLK. This loss of velocity is the main thing that keeps me from really wanting a .223 in pistol.
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    But, over penetration has always been a concern with AR's for home defense. Dropping 400 FPS might not be a bad thing. That puts bullet speed at about,, what, 1500 FPS? Still a very fast pistol round.

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    The velocity loss is the last thing I would worry about with a short barrel 5.56mm AR inside a house for defense. The concussion in an enclosed room is harmful, then there is the flame. IMO, it is not useful for home defense. .300 Blackout is much better, especially with subs, but even the supersonics are better than a 5.56mm. Anyone contemplating a short barrel 5.56mm AR for home defense should borrow one and shoot in in an enclosed room without hearing protection, which is where most of you will be in a real use scenario.

    I have the same issue with Magnum revolvers for home defense. Over pressure (from firing in an enclosed room) can kill in weapons like a rocket launcher, missile, recoiless rifle, etc. That is why most of them now have a small charge to kick the projectile out before the main motor kicks in. So while I don't think overpressure/concussion from a magnum revolver will kill you, it can be painful, if not incapacitating. It should go into your thought process on how to defend in the home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredward View Post
    But, over penetration has always been a concern with AR's for home defense. Dropping 400 FPS might not be a bad thing. That puts bullet speed at about,, what, 1500 FPS? Still a very fast pistol round.
    The problem is, there's only 2 variables that come into play there. Mass and velocity. The .22 centerfires have always relied on velocity because the small bore diameter precludes them from having much mass. Cutting their velocity quickly lowers it's effectiveness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWolf70 View Post
    The velocity loss is the last thing I would worry about with a short barrel 5.56mm AR inside a house for defense. The concussion in an enclosed room is harmful, then there is the flame. IMO, it is not useful for home defense. .300 Blackout is much better, especially with subs, but even the supersonics are better than a 5.56mm. Anyone contemplating a short barrel 5.56mm AR for home defense should borrow one and shoot in in an enclosed room without hearing protection, which is where most of you will be in a real use scenario.

    I have the same issue with Magnum revolvers for home defense. Over pressure (from firing in an enclosed room) can kill in weapons like a rocket launcher, missile, recoiless rifle, etc. That is why most of them now have a small charge to kick the projectile out before the main motor kicks in. So while I don't think overpressure/concussion from a magnum revolver will kill you, it can be painful, if not incapacitating. It should go into your thought process on how to defend in the home.
    You're assuming I'd want it for home defense. That would be wrong. With these minimal calibers, I would not wanna give up too much on a hog. You see, I'm thinking truck guns, compact, yet easy and quick to get at when a pig crosses our private road. I don't think any AR caliber would do short of a .450 Bushmaster or .458 SOCOM and those, I've heard, are not very nice to fire with a brace. I've even heard braces don't hold up under that much recoil.

    As to any thought of a magnum round being painful shot indoors, it's not pleasant, but it's not "painful". I have fired a 12 gauge indoors, didn't kill me. It did quite kill the rat I was shooting at.
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