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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy_Shooter View Post
    An AR pistol gives you a wider range of ammo, most notably, rifle ammo. Remember though that even with an arm brace, it's a pistol, not a long range tactical weapon, and the ranges that it'll be used at are generally no more than what would be experienced with a semi-auto pistol or revolver. If you think of it as a good home defense weapon, remember that a .223 or 7.62 round at pistol range will more than likely pass through the home invader and hopefully not a family member behind them or through the wall. Like a bullpup, they are of greater value in clearing buildings in urban areas, where entering and exiting doors, alleyways dictate shorter weapons of greater firepower.
    I regularly shoot my .300 BLK pistols at 100 - 250 yds without issue - 10.5" and 11.3" barrels respectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yissnakk View Post
    I regularly shoot my .300 BLK pistols at 100 - 250 yds without issue - 10.5" and 11.3" barrels respectively.
    well I am a newbie in the 300 BO caliber but from reading and looking at reloading data depending on projectile and powder/ loading levels its a pretty good caliber out to about 150-200 yards with the right combo.
    course this is well away from my intended purpose for the caliber /gun.
    I got the 7.5 inch barrel as I intend to carry it concealed and IWB myself.
    but it does seem to be very versatile,. and of course all those different projectiles to choose from.
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    I had to dig this post up because I never did get around to reading it the whole way through (21 pages!), but I also still very much find myself on the fence in regards to the pistol AR/SBR type setup. Thanks for a ton of great info here guys! I've been scouring the webs looking for more info and, well it's enough to drown in honestly. I had to step back and ask myself what do I want this for, what do I see myself doing with it, and what will I most likely never do with it. That line of thinking (I know, logic can be such a kill joy) really helped narrow things down.

    What will it be used for?
    1. Range fun.
    2. Home defense.
    3. Bug out gun in case things go real state of emergency levels south.

    So that boils down to easy to shoot, accurate, reliable, compact, satisfactory levels of firepower.

    What will it never be used for?
    1. Hunting.
    2. Shooting at things that aren't on a target range or God forbid go bump in the night.
    3. Shooting at things that I have to squint at without some optics.

    That being the case, I think .223 and 300 BO are off the table. Especially when you consider that those rounds coming out of short barrels in enclosed spaces is a good way to kiss your hearing bye bye. Plus, as I don't have any firearms in those calibers currently, it would be an added expense (especially because I will never be rolling my own, I just don't have the real estate here or the desire for that matter). The only long gun in my arsenal is a 12 guage, and the rest are handguns in .22, .38, 9, .40, 357SIG and .45. So a carbine type setup running off existing ammo might make more sense. While I'm a huge fan of the .45, I'm thinking 9mm because it would save in the long run. So with that thought in mind I started to look into the 9mm AR market. It's a bigger market than I imagined, with lots of build your own kits and options or already built by reputable companies willing to back their wares with solid warranties. I think I would steer in the later direction for that as well. Then, just a few days ago I stumble across this, and fell head over heels in love:



    https://www.cmmginc.com/product/pist...-300-mkgs-9mm/

    Love the look, love the way it appears to handle, love the levels of customization for my particular size and needs. That radial delay blow back system really sounds like the bees knees too. There's a lot of great defensive ammo in 9mm too, and the fact that this can run in +P just makes it that much better. My biggest question at this point is do I want the 5" barrel or step it up to an 8" giving me a little more room to run accessories and slightly more FPS out of the ammo. It's not cheap, but it's not break the bank expensive either and there are deals to be found out there where you can shave a few hundred off the MSRP. And, if I ever wanted to go full loco I could always pay for the tax stamp and put on an actual stock with sufficient padding, as well as a foregrip to help tighten up what already appears to be a very controllable firearm.
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    I think Zen Ape just ran up a Red Flag. You know the one with the yellow star on it.
    Battle of Wanat: 10 years ago last 13 July, 1LT Brostram was killed in combat killing the last enemy combatant in the outpost. The LT went to the point of decision and made the difference that turned the tide of the battle. The original investigation found the Bde Cmdr, the Bn Cmdr and the Co Cmdr at fault for dereliction of duty. If you want to see what a sarcastic silver star citation reads like, pull up the company commander's silver star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWolf70 View Post
    I think Zen Ape just ran up a Red Flag. You know the one with the yellow star on it.
    Are those made in China or Turkey? One would think that they might be less expensive. If they were available for under 600.00 I could be a player, although parts availability might be a concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czechbikr View Post
    Are those made in China or Turkey? One would think that they might be less expensive. If they were available for under 600.00 I could be a player, although parts availability might be a concern.
    CMMG is an American company based out of Missouri established in 2002.
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    .300 Blackout shooting subs is quieter than .45 Auto, with or without a suppressor.

    Still, I like CMMG's delayed blowback design. It is a much better design than a straight blow back design.
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    Battle of Wanat: 10 years ago last 13 July, 1LT Brostram was killed in combat killing the last enemy combatant in the outpost. The LT went to the point of decision and made the difference that turned the tide of the battle. The original investigation found the Bde Cmdr, the Bn Cmdr and the Co Cmdr at fault for dereliction of duty. If you want to see what a sarcastic silver star citation reads like, pull up the company commander's silver star.

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    [QUOTE=GreenWolf70;5465039].300 Blackout shooting subs is quieter than .45 Auto, with or without a suppressor.

    That point it's finally starting to sink in greenwolf that you and Olfors have been trying to make. I can't wait to get back in town and try my new Hornady subsonic loads without ear protection in my 300 Blackout. Especially since the Zen Ape's got me looking at an ar 9mm pistol and I already have a 9 millimeter carbine and a 40 caliber carbine. Please stop the enabling! 🙂

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    [QUOTE=vboy36;5466465]
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWolf70 View Post
    .300 Blackout shooting subs is quieter than .45 Auto, with or without a suppressor.

    That point it's finally starting to sink in greenwolf that you and Olfors have been trying to make. I can't wait to get back in town and try my new Hornady subsonic loads without ear protection in my 300 Blackout. Especially since the Zen Ape's got me looking at an ar 9mm pistol and I already have a 9 millimeter carbine and a 40 caliber carbine. Please stop the enabling! 🙂
    yea maybe a round or two, but remember that even these lower decibels can cause hearing problems, just not so bad that your ears actually ache and ring.
    I was down at the range Friday shooting and several people were there with their AR and many had short barrel 556, let me tell ya you could hear them at the desk/counter and that was through 2 steel doors with a vestibule and a cinder block wall.
    the 300 could not be heard there at sub sonic speeds.
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    The way it was explained to me, is that there is a sweet spot for sound suppression that is around 9mm/.355. If sound suppression worked equally well for all calibers, the SOCOM community would all be using .458 SOCOM ARs shooting a 650 grain sub round, but those are not anywhere near as quiet as a 9mm suppressed. The .300BLK advantage is a high Section Density (SD) bullet that gives great penetration, coupled with the long length of these high Ballistic Coefficient (BC) bullets whose performance does not depend on bullet expansion. So the .300BLK shoots a bullet that only looses about 50 fps at 200 meters, it will penetrate the first target, unless it is armored, and if it is armored, it will tumble expending all of its energy immediately, so while not penetrating that armored target, it will knock it across the room and probably leave the target unconscious, or worse.

    The original .300 Whisper was designed around such quiet shooting performance. The derivative .300 Blackout simply lengthened the chamber throat allowing for greater versatility with supersonic rounds. The trade off was a little less gas pressure to operate/cycle the action.
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