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    how has your lifestyle changed i/e restaurants stores etc. since your ccw

    I hadn't thought about it much until i pulled up to one of our old favorite restaurants (pizza hut in this case) that we hadn't been to in a long time, and saw the no guns sign, and was promising myself to send them a letter as we left for a different place, but realized that they probably served alcohol and had to have one. i will openly confess that because i don't drink, i have broken that part of the law, i have found myself waiting for my order at the chinese joint or wherever and see someone drink a beer and realize they serve, but never associate the place w/ alcohol. as i have started carrying more i have realized how i buy most things now from just a few stores where as before i shopped around more, and it is because of the no gun signs that have created these changes. how have these signs and rules changed your lifestyle?
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    Re: how has your lifestyle changed i/e restaurants stores etc. since your ccw

    In TX ... you can legally carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol so long as more than 50% of teir income is not generated from the sale of alcohol for consumption. They must also be properly marked with a sign stating so which is water marked in red generally with a 51%. This of course goes out the window if they are posted with a 30.06 sign which is the legal sign for TX which means you can't carry in there. Simply posting a sign that states no firearms is not good enough.

    There's also a sign that says something about the unlicensed possession of a firearm is not permitted ... blah blah. That's not worth anything for a licensee.

    LA has similar laws as well. You can carry in a restuarant that serves alcohol unless they have a Class A liquor license for consumption, which pretty much means they are a bar. I'm not sure on their signage though, if they are required to post it or not.

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    Re: how has your lifestyle changed i/e restaurants stores etc. since your ccw

    I make sure I check for valid signs. I laugh at those that are not legally binding.

    I tend to sit with my pistol to the wall now, just to reduce the risk of accidental exposure.

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    Re: how has your lifestyle changed i/e restaurants stores etc. since your ccw

    My bill when I go out to dinner went down since I don't order any beers with dinner. Like propellerhead I sit with my gun to a wall to avoid any unwanted attention.

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    Yeah I try to sit with the gun to the wall. I went into an "adult" store with my girlfriend and there were no signs posted outside but when I got in the door there was a sign on the wall. This bothered me a bit but I didn't want to look suspicious so I just went about my buissiness and nobody was the wiser, after all concealed is concealed right?

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    Re: how has your lifestyle changed i/e restaurants stores etc. since your ccw

    Two things. It is never a good idea to wear a gun into a place that serves liquior. Having to prove that you weren't under the influence at all, not one little bit, is an albatross around your neck that you do not want to face in an investigation or in court. Opposing lawyers and DAs will use it against you and trying to prove you didn't have much or any in you is a near impossibility. Just the possibility that one has alcohol in their bloodstream can show negligence or major mind impairment, Even a little alcohol can cause this to be used when the opposing counsel tries to pin that one on the defender.This can lead to prison time and a conviction. There is no way to prove you weren't impaired. No tests or witnesses can use expert testimony in any way to prove how impaired, if at all, one was when the trigger was pulled. This is major advice from real certified trail lawyers who do this for a living and put on informational briefings for gun trainers annually. If the business has a sign forbidding guns in the place of business then it might be prudent not to carry it inside. If the gun is discovered by anyone in the business then You are " a man with a gun" and LEOs will treat it as such with guns drawn and pointed at the CCW carrier. Business owners can make the rules and you are on their turf. Not yours. Flying in the face of authority shows one is negligent or flaunts authority and for a CCW carrier that flaunting authority shows you do not follow rules. That is enough for the local authorities to revoke the CCW license. These are all actual things to consider and have happened to many others.If you feel that this is not true then you will eventually walk into the legal bear trap with wide open eyes. The consequences of doing so are real and grim. Trying to 'get away with something" shows poor judgement on the part of the offender. It can also lead to legal hassles and trouble with the law. Do you really need that? I do agree that a person has the right to carry and defend themselves if need be. I do not agree that store owners should be able to ban this. However it is their place of establishment. Like a restaurant, other businesses make rules to deal with the public including what to do with rowdy customers. They have to have rules in place to deal with the public. We may not like them, but we may respect them. If the rule is not legal then authorities can be summoned or contacted and the situation taken care of legally and in the right way. Or, just don't be customer in that business. People vote with their wallets. Several big name businesses have banned CCW in the stores and the public phoned,wrote letters, and e-mails letting the owners know that the customers were going elsewhere if carry was banned. The signs came down quickly. Use common sense and think these things through. One can do something about this. It is how one goes about it and does it that counts.

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    Re: how has your lifestyle changed i/e restaurants stores etc. since your ccw

    I think it's important to know that simply putting a sign that says 'No Guns' or something similar is not legally binding in the state of TX. Open carry of any kind is also not legal in TX. To me .. if they have a sign up like that, I take it as them reminding the open public (non CHL holders) that they do not wish for them to bring a gun into their establishment. THere's also another sign that says the 'unlicensed' possession of a firearm is not permitted and can be punishable by blah blah blah. Again, that tells me they don't want unlicensed carry in that place.

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    Re: how has your lifestyle changed i/e restaurants stores etc. since your ccw

    Depends on what state you are in. Here in Minnesota, there is no law against carrying in a bar. You just can't be intoxicated and carry in a bar. For me, its not an issue. I don't drink at all. The wife might have a couple when we go out somewhere and thats fine. But I will most definately be armed. The only places I won't carry are schools, government buildings, police station, casino. They can post the mall all they want, I'm going in with my P3AT. If I need it, I'd really be sorry if I didn't have it. The gangsta punks that hang out in the parking ramp most likely have a blade or some kind of weapon. I'm not taking any chances. If I have to open up a can of .380 whoop-ass to defend myself from getting rolled or killed, I want it right there in my pocket, not locked up in the truck. Just my .02.

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    Re: how has your lifestyle changed i/e restaurants stores etc. since your ccw

    If a business is posted (whether is legal or not) I chose not to give them any money if can help it. They don't respect my rights then why should I help their finances.

    I'm another one who doesn't drink so if I'm at a restaurant that serves alcohol (Olive Garden for example) I'm not concerned. If I'm at a bar that might be a little more difficult but not a huge deal.

    Beyond that, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I carry everywhere I'm allowed.

    As far as other behaviors, I'm more aware of the people around me. If I'm in a restaurant I try to sit so my gun isn't towards the general public, just incase I have an oops.

    Don't forget to always use the stall in the restroom. That way you will have a chance to see trouble coming your way. And don't let your piece hang down low enough that someone next to you can see/grab it.

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    Re: how has your lifestyle changed i/e restaurants stores etc. since your ccw

    My (our) lifestyle has greatly changed. We live in Missouri and do everything we can to stay out of Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, and Illinois (other side of the state). We typically do NOT patronize posted businesses (even though in MO we can go into posted places w/o penalty) and NEVER participate in the consumption of alcoholic beverages. And our mode of travel (air, bus, train) is greatly restricted as well as where we go (what state and what activities) for vacations. But we live far from a deprived life and are quite energized and excited about the 3 year birth of gaining back our CCW rights in Missouri. Hopefully the Castle Doctrine and the Permit-To-Acquire are next to go in the favor of pro-2A citizens.

 

 
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