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    Quote Originally Posted by RScottie View Post
    Statistically, you have far more chance of being killed in a car accident than in a plane or helicopter accident and that is true for frequent flyers too.

    They said that this helicopter had the ability to fly in fog via instruments so the fog should not have been an issue. Witnesses were saying that the engine was making odd sounds right before it hit the ground so it may have just had an engine failure.

    Sad that 9 people had to die, especially the kids.
    Lots of aircraft have instruments that would allow you to takeoff or land in a controlled airport with a glideslope for both takeoff and landing, which are critical. But no fixed wing aircraft once they take off will continue to fly in the bad weather. They either have a short window until flying out of or above the weather in short order. I've been a private pilot, owned three fairly low performance aircraft and been caught in bad weather while aloft. I can promise you, if you don't rely on your instruments, vertigo can set in rapidly, and you will find mother earth smacking you in the face real quick.

    Flying a helicopter in 0 visibility weather in a city or mountainous area is asking to die. Ask Stevie Ray Vaughn.

    In my years of owning three small fixed wing aircraft, I have known at least 20 pilots dying, and in 17 of those, flying bad weather was the reason, even with pilots having over 2,000 hours. Regardless of who gave the order to fly, be it Koby or the pilot saying he could handle it, the pilot erred on his decision to fly. This will be considered pilot error, as most light aircraft crashes are!
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    Witness seemed to suggest engine problems...still bad weather.

    Funny how entertainers are always wonderful people. Accused of rape, didn't he say he thought it was consensual? Either way he was married. And the probability he got caught the first and only time?

    Offensive that 7 other people and his daughter died but it is all about wonderful Kobe. I'd propose that each of us know many better people, regular people. Sorry I'm just not star stuck.

    Condolences to ALL the families affected by the crash, not just the ones related to someone who can do special things with a ball.
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    An article that may be of interest:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kobe_Bryant
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    Prayers go out to his wife and family! I can't imagine what she's going thru losing husband and daughter.
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    Very few aircraft accidents are the result of any one thing, it's usually a chain of events. Something as simple as a break in your routine can forge the first link. Flight isn't difficult but participation is somewhat complicated, whether in plane, helo, or parachute. It's not a quick hop 'n go if you're gonna' be safe about it. Still, as difficult as it may be to believe, it's very easy to become complacent or maybe worse, overconfident which is likely what kills the most in aviation. The overconfidence can be in self, equipment or both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake3501 View Post
    Lots of aircraft have instruments that would allow you to takeoff or land in a controlled airport with a glideslope for both takeoff and landing, which are critical. But no fixed wing aircraft once they take off will continue to fly in the bad weather. They either have a short window until flying out of or above the weather in short order. I've been a private pilot, owned three fairly low performance aircraft and been caught in bad weather while aloft. I can promise you, if you don't rely on your instruments, vertigo can set in rapidly, and you will find mother earth smacking you in the face real quick.

    Flying a helicopter in 0 visibility weather in a city or mountainous area is asking to die. Ask Stevie Ray Vaughn.

    In my years of owning three small fixed wing aircraft, I have known at least 20 pilots dying, and in 17 of those, flying bad weather was the reason, even with pilots having over 2,000 hours. Regardless of who gave the order to fly, be it Koby or the pilot saying he could handle it, the pilot erred on his decision to fly. This will be considered pilot error, as most light aircraft crashes are!
    Pilot lore is that even the best of aviators can fly directly into a storm. Also the tendency to over rate ones own piloting ability coupled with 'gotta get there-itis' (see JFK Jr.) and 'it won't happen to me', leads to a very dangerous and sometimes deadly sequence of events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefduane View Post
    Pilot lore is that even the best of aviators can fly directly into a storm. Also the tendency to over rate ones own piloting ability coupled with 'gotta get there-itis' (see JFK Jr.) and 'it won't happen to me', leads to a very dangerous and sometimes deadly sequence of events.
    I'm no pilot, but I bet even I could fly directly in to a storm. Seems to me that getting out of that storm, alive, would be the real difficult task.

    I agree with the poster above that it will likely be the pilot who will be ruled at fault. I'm guessing the company that owns the helicopter will be sued out of existence.
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    No disrespect to Kobe and the others who died nor to those morning their deaths, but Jimmy Kimmel breaking down and balling on his show was a bit over the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaBravoKS View Post
    I'm no pilot, but I bet even I could fly directly in to a storm. Seems to me that getting out of that storm, alive, would be the real difficult task.

    I agree with the poster above that it will likely be the pilot who will be ruled at fault. I'm guessing the company that owns the helicopter will be sued out of existence.
    The copter has Nike imprints on the side. That suggests a link to Bryant and the pilot was the one he requested all of the time. Makes me wonder if he had a stake in the biz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefduane View Post
    Pilot lore is that even the best of aviators can fly directly into a storm. Also the tendency to over rate ones own piloting ability coupled with 'gotta get there-itis' (see JFK Jr.) and 'it won't happen to me', leads to a very dangerous and sometimes deadly sequence of events.
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    I'm no pilot, but I bet even I could fly directly in to a storm. Seems to me that getting out of that storm, alive, would be the real difficult task.
    When I lived in Alaska in 1972 I met, and became friends with, a small aircraft pilot. He was one of those people you meet and you hit it off right from the start. He was in Nome for a week or so, and I took my first small aircraft ride in the back seat of his Ryan Navion. A couple of months after we parted company, he died trying to fly through a pass west of Anchorage in heavy weather. I still owe him for a reindeer sandwich he bought for me one afternoon.

    In 1996 the owner of the company I worked for offered to fly my son and I to Promise Keepers in Denver with him in his Beechcraft Baron. I declined, as another friend had offered to let us ride with him in his car. On Friday of that weekend, with five passengers in his Baron, my boss decided to fly between thunderstorms at the Colorado/New Mexico border area. The investigation stated that the Baron impacted the ground at a 60 degree angle at 220 knots.

    An instructor in aircraft mechanics school once told me that if a pilot wasn't at least a little bit nervous every time he took off, he wasn't safe to fly with. Complacency, whether behind the stick in a cockpit or behind the wheel in an automobile, is not a good thing.
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