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    IDK...those electrics are all torque off the line. Now it's never going to win Le Mans however.

    I am waiting for Congress to get their heads screwed on straight and offer a 2,000.00 tax credit for everybody converting a 2015 or newer vehicle to CNG. Then follow up with a 2,000.00 credit for everyone who has a natural gas compressor installed in their garage at home. The tremendous number of jobs it would create and sticking a further needle into the eye of the Arabian oil trust would be priceless.
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    Lee Iacocca's ghost will haunt Ford brass forever if he ever gets wind of this catastrophe.
    My god, can we not think of a new name for that electric chair on wheels. How about "New Sparky, the Electric Chair"?
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    How many kw hours equals one gallon of gas. Electric cars should have to meet mpg standards or know what MPGe (miles per gallon equivalent).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ickthus View Post
    How many kw hours equals one gallon of gas. Electric cars should have to meet mpg standards or know what MPGe (miles per gallon equivalent).
    I was researching that just a week ago...I was astounded at the cost relationship of petrol versus amps. I don't recall exactly and will have to look it up again.

    "How much does it cost to charge an electric car at home?If electricity costs $0.11 per kWh and the vehicle consumes 34 kWh to travel 100 miles, the cost per mile is about $0.04. If electricity costs $0.11 per kilowatt-hour, charging an all-electric vehicle with a 70-mile range (assuming a fully depleted 24 kWh battery) will cost about $2.64 to reach a full charge."

    https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electr...ging_home.html

    I guess it's not as dramatic as I thought, especially considering that states are charging a premium for license plates for the watt burners.

    "The national average cost for electricity in the U.S. is about 10 cents per kWh, while the average residential rate is about 11.7 cents per kWh. ... This tells you that the fuel for a gasoline vehicle with an energy efficiency of 22 miles per gallon costs about 15.9 cents per mile when gasoline costs $3.50 per gallon."

    https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/fi...fsev/costs.pdf


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    They shoul call it Musting.
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    No thanks. I'll happily keep my '77 Trans Am and my '09 Hemi powered Ram 2500 4x4. That said, I DO see a place for electric cars as small urban errand runners. But without a monumental leap in battery technology, that's all they'll ever be.
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    Disgusting is right. That's awful.

    Also, how much hazardous waste do all those batteries generate over their system life cycle? Seems to me there should be a "sin tax" for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czechbikr View Post
    I was researching that just a week ago...I was astounded at the cost relationship of petrol versus amps. I don't recall exactly and will have to look it up again.

    "How much does it cost to charge an electric car at home?If electricity costs $0.11 per kWh and the vehicle consumes 34 kWh to travel 100 miles, the cost per mile is about $0.04. If electricity costs $0.11 per kilowatt-hour, charging an all-electric vehicle with a 70-mile range (assuming a fully depleted 24 kWh battery) will cost about $2.64 to reach a full charge."

    https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electr...ging_home.html

    I guess it's not as dramatic as I thought, especially considering that states are charging a premium for license plates for the watt burners.

    "The national average cost for electricity in the U.S. is about 10 cents per kWh, while the average residential rate is about 11.7 cents per kWh. ... This tells you that the fuel for a gasoline vehicle with an energy efficiency of 22 miles per gallon costs about 15.9 cents per mile when gasoline costs $3.50 per gallon."

    https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/fi...fsev/costs.pdf


    Those numbers are misleading. Except for Hyundai and KIA, electric cars sold in the US carry an 8 year/100,000 mile warranty on the battery. KIA extends theirs to 10 years and only Hyundai goes lifetime. Considering that most gas powered cars are going 200,000+, the cost of replacing the battery during the ownership of the car would have to be included in the fuel costs for a legitimate comparison. From what I've seen and heard, a battery costs well over $15,000 (not including labor). Even at just $15,000 for 100,000 miles, the cost per mile comes to 15 cents so if you add that to the cpm stated, electrics can only claim a half cent per mile savings over gasoline. They're also not figuring in the future costs of gas or electricity, there will be no supply/demand exemptions here. As electric vehicles become more popular and demands change, the cost of gasoline will go down while the price of electricity will most certainly skyrocket.

    Of course, there are additional costs to figure into the electric equation. A home charging station will be required so all the costs of the equipment and related installation will come into play. Another expense no one really seems to wanna' bring up, is your homeowner's insurance. Ignoring for a moment the proven tendency of electric cars to burst into flames, insurance companies aren't going to dismiss the increased liability and fire hazards associated with a home charging station. You can bet there will be substantial increases in homeowner's insurance rates for electric car owners. It won't be long before the overall expenses of owning/operating an electric car will likely be double or more that of gasoline powered vehicles. This will play out just as the big diesel scam of the past couple decades has. Diesel conversion was pushed by the gov't, oil and auto industries, touted as more efficient and economical but once they got the ownership numbers high enough, they slammed them hard by jacking up the fuel prices, adding expensive compliance regulations and of course, taxation on all of it.
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    It’s a Mustang Gelding. Definately be keeping my F-150 V8.
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    Ford confirmed its new electric SUV will be called the Mustang Mach-E ahead of a debut event scheduled for Los Angeles on Sunday.
    They do understand that the "Mustang Mach" name is going to be changed to "Mock Mustang" by a lot of people, right?

 

 
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