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    They're behind the trailer. (About 400 miles...)
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    I have been very attracted to the lifestyle and am fairly gregarious. My wife less so and she is NOT attracted to camping at all. My guess is that the folks with smaller rigs are more likely newcomers to the lifestyle and so may be a bit intimidated by those experienced folks with the land yachts. If/when I get a "starter" rig it will be just that...I like my Durango for it's comfort and economy and have poked around at lightweight trailers under 4,000 pounds loaded.

    I have read that good, late model small units become available when people like me want to start out small and once they find that they like it, they want to trade up to bigger and better models. Others buy the new unit and find out that they don't like it and dump the equipment.
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    Mrs. Flash and I started out with a Viking "pop-up" fifty-three years ago. We spent our honeymoon from Grand Canyon of Pennsylvania to Niagara Falls, upstate New York, Poconos, and Atlantic City in two weeks and were hooked. We flopped the 10' jon-boat on top of it and and all the bicycles on top of the Impala Wagon. We spent weekends at the Chesapeake, lakes around Maryland, Virginia, & PA. Kids came along and shared the other bed, dogs came and went, we used up more than a few tires. Didn't cost as much as the house we bought, but we used it about as much for fifteen years.


    Suddenly, life changed, kids became teens, and we sold our little dream house and what was by then a "well broken-in" trailer and moved "home" to care for our ailing and aging parents.

    My father and her father passed and twelve years did too. We bought a lightly used 28-footer powered by a Dodge 440. It had an aux pwr unit, great air conditioning, and a room for Mrs. Flash's Mother. Of course our two Yorkshire terriers got along well with her poodle and Westie, and so we went to Florida and Niagara Falls and a lot of other points in between. We "toured" more than we "camped".

    After three grand years with this arrangement, we were all loaded (45 lbs propane and two 53-gallon gas tanks full, clothing, dogfood, EVERYTHING! ) and ready for another Florida visit, but in the night some kids stole the thing and ran it out into the peach orchard and set it afire. When I saw it in the orchard next morning, the highest part was the intake manifold - fire so hot springs and frame distorted and drooped. - - Moral: don't let the thing out of your sight, even at the garage overnight.

    But the fever still had us, we took the insurance check, threw a few more thou at it and bought a newer one four feet longer, with a room for MIL. Ran that one for about another four years, one two-week trip midwest and a whole bunch of "extended weekends" until I changed jobs, had a back operation and MIL passed away. Sold it, but still have the fever.



    So:
    Get a "camper" if you are going camping. Buy something that fits what you intend to do. If "Touring" is your desire, get something that will be comfortable on the road, touring. If you are going to use it as a "bedroom" at a different place each night, opt for the comforts. If you are going to restaurant it, then the kitchen/fridge isn't as important as it would be if you intend to really LIVE in the thing.

    It's kinda like buying a gun (with some complexities added in) - - determine your mission statement first, then shop accordingly. If you aren't sure, go to a joint that rents them and take a few for a trial week or weekend. Get a feel for what you are going to do, what you like and what you (THIS IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT) - DISLIKE.

    And enjoy the trip.
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    My wife and I are looking to do a bit of travel trailering once we retire. About 2-3 years. Looking at about a 20' dual axle trailer. 20' is about the smallest with 2 axles - want to stay away from a single axle if possible. Also NO SLIDEOUTS! I know some folks love 'em but I just don't think I want the leaky headache. I really like the Forest River 20RDSE - good brand, right size, easily towed, lightweight, and NO SLIDEOUTS. We will still maintain a home with some acreage but being able to travel around the country and detach from a NO SLIDEOUT trailer is exactly what we are looking to do. Airstream has some nice trailers that fit the bill, but man, are they pricey! But they don't have any..... slideouts!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefduane View Post
    My wife and I are looking to do a bit of travel trailering once we retire. About 2-3 years. Looking at about a 20' dual axle trailer. 20' is about the smallest with 2 axles - want to stay away from a single axle if possible. Also NO SLIDEOUTS! I know some folks love 'em but I just don't think I want the leaky headache. I really like the Forest River 20RDSE - good brand, right size, easily towed, lightweight, and NO SLIDEOUTS. We will still maintain a home with some acreage but being able to travel around the country and detach from a NO SLIDEOUT trailer is exactly what we are looking to do. Airstream has some nice trailers that fit the bill, but man, are they pricey! But they don't have any..... slideouts!!!
    Eighteen feet is just about the minimum where you can "live" without things being dual-purpose. Like, the dinette becomes a (almost) double bed, or the shower is straddling the commode. That sort of thing

    where you do not have to reconfigure the interior to go from day to night, cooking and eating to sleeping.
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    Right. No re-configuring. Also, an island bed. We don't want to have to climb over each other to get out of bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash60601 View Post
    Eighteen feet is just about the minimum where you can "live" without things being dual-purpose. Like, the dinette becomes a (almost) double bed, or the shower is straddling the commode. That sort of thing

    where you do not have to reconfigure the interior to go from day to night, cooking and eating to sleeping.
    18' is about where I think I would like to be...they are still light enough, unfortunately only single axle. Not sure that dual axle is important in an under 4,000 unit. I looked at the one CD posted, but it seems too heavy...loaded...for what I am considering.

    I am attracted to the slide out concept...I have read about jamming...but not about leaking.
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    We have a pop-up that's loaded. Twenty-four feet open. Thirty-five-hundred pounds. Kitchen, toilet, shower, AC, electric heated mattresses.
    It's okay for two up to a week or so.

    Goal is to get the shortest fifth-wheel we can find. Wife insists on having a bed she can walk around (makes changing be linen easier)
    and doesn't have to setup every night.

    Really, I could do the pop-up full time. She insists on bigger. She's a web developer and can work from anywhere with internet access. She
    wants her own space to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwhite View Post
    We have a pop-up that's loaded. Twenty-four feet open. Thirty-five-hundred pounds. Kitchen, toilet, shower, AC, electric heated mattresses.
    It's okay for two up to a week or so.

    Goal is to get the shortest fifth-wheel we can find. Wife insists on having a bed she can walk around (makes changing be linen easier)
    and doesn't have to setup every night.

    Really, I could do the pop-up full time. She insists on bigger. She's a web developer and can work from anywhere with internet access. She
    wants her own space to do it.

    All the Best,
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    One popular conversion is get a bunkhouse, and remove the bunks. This yields a room big enough to work as an office.
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    The old saying is, "Buy your third RV first". It takes a couple of false steps and a little time to find out what you like, what you dislike but can tolerate and what you really hate about an RV. Everybody's needs and requirements are different. Finding the "perfect" RV for you is a very personal thing.

    We've been doing it now for over 12-years and spend 3 or 4 months a year in it. We often convoy or meet up with my S-I-L who is an avid RVer. She spends 6 to 9 months a year in hers. For us the most important thing was finding something that we could live with for extended periods of time. The old "Drinks for 6, dinner for 4 and sleeping for 2 " thing was important. That, and having a walk round king size bed and enough kitchen counter space to keep the wife happy.

    We're both 72-years old and will probably keep using our present RV for the next 3 to 5 years. After that we'll trade down to a Sprinter conversion for shorter trips and week-ends around the house. I don't intend to quit until I die. I love it. My wife "likes" it. She likes camping in comfort, going places and seeing new things. She hates the set-up and breakdown associated with moving.
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