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    I wonder what one of them would say, if you asked them "what/where their safe place was" on that day? You might get your arse whipped, even today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollin thunder View Post
    Don't forget, the Russians and their winter put a hurt on the Germans.
    If we did not liberate western Europe the Russians would have eventually defeated the Germans and all of Europe would be part of the Soviet Union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShtnBlanks.22 View Post
    If we did not liberate western Europe the Russians would have eventually defeated the Germans and all of Europe would be part of the Soviet Union.
    The Russians only would have whipped the Nazis WITH our material assistance. Even the Russians, the sane historically knowledgeable ones, admit the primarily US assistance in machine tools, raw materials, fuels, etc in 1942 and 1943 kept them in the fight, OTW, they were finished. A half million US 2.5 ton trucks were given to the Soviets, planes, trains (yes, trains, locomotives AND rolling stock, 1000s of 'em, the list goes on and on. Their own government used their Russian forces as bullet traps, while we shoveled mountains of supplies and equipment to them. A German general commented after the war, "The Russians were always 1st class FIGHTERS, and in due time, they became 1st class SOLDIERS." The USAs material assistance kept the Russians in the fight until they could become the professional army necessary to throw the Nazis out of their country.
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    Seventy-five years ago, the Ol' Man was sailing off, and on, Utah Beach in an LCI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trotline View Post
    The Russians only would have whipped the Nazis WITH our material assistance. Even the Russians, the sane historically knowledgeable ones, admit the primarily US assistance in machine tools, raw materials, fuels, etc in 1942 and 1943 kept them in the fight, OTW, they were finished. A half million US 2.5 ton trucks were given to the Soviets, planes, trains (yes, trains, locomotives AND rolling stock, 1000s of 'em, the list goes on and on. Their own government used their Russian forces as bullet traps, while we shoveled mountains of supplies and equipment to them. A German general commented after the war, "The Russians were always 1st class FIGHTERS, and in due time, they became 1st class SOLDIERS." The USAs material assistance kept the Russians in the fight until they could become the professional army necessary to throw the Nazis out of their country.
    It's been said that if there was any one weapon that could be considered most determinate in the defeat of Hitler, it would be the Studebaker truck. Many Russians would argue that SPAM was the US's greatest contribution to their war effort. Much of Russia's breadbasket was destroyed early on, feeding their forces and people was a major issue throughout the war. I saw an old war poster in a museum in St. Petersburg that depicted Zhukov with a pistol in one hand and a can of SPAM in the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kschilk View Post
    The initial landing gets most of the press and attention but the push inland through the hedgerow country, was as perilous and lasted a lot longer. D-Day was really a lot longer than just one day, since the beaches couldn't truly be declared secured until a defensive perimeter was established well inland. My uncle's first combat mission as a B-17 belly gunner was on July 25, 1944, carpet bombing the St. Lo area to clear a path for our forces to advance.
    My moms brother (what would've been my uncle had he lived) was among the first on the beach on D Day and survived it, only to be killed in the hedgerows later on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    My moms brother (what would've been my uncle had he lived) was among the first on the beach on D Day and survived it, only to be killed in the hedgerows later on.
    So sad that he and so many thousands died in those days and weeks. I wonder if he started to think that he was invulnerable after getting past that murderous onslaught of the landing?
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    "No terrain in the world was better suited for defensive action with the weapons of the fourth decade of the twentieth century than the Norman hedgerows, and only the lava and coral, caves and tunnels of Iwo Jima and Okinawa were as favorable.

    The Norman hedgerows dated back to Roman times. They were mounds of earth to keep cattle in and to mark boundaries. Typically there was only one entry into the small field enclosed by the hedgerows, which were irregular in length as well as height and set at odd angles. On the sunken roads the brush often met overhead, giving the GIs a feeling of being trapped in a leafy tunnel. Wherever they looked the view was blocked by walls of vegetation.
    Undertaking an offensive in the hedgerows was risky, costly, time-consuming, fraught with frustration. It was like fighting in a maze. Platoons found themselves completely lost a few minutes after launching an attack. Squads got separated. Just as often, two platoons from the same company could occupy adjacent fields for hours before discovering each other's presence. The small fields limited deployment possibilities; seldom during the first week of battle did a unit as large as a company go into an attack intact.

    Where the Americans got lost, the Germans were at home. The 352nd Division had been in Normandy for months, training for this battle. Further, the Germans were geniuses at utilizing the fortification possibilities of the hedgerows. In the early days of the battle, many GIs were killed or wounded because they dashed through the opening into a field, just the kind of aggressive tactics they had been taught, only to be cut down by pre-sited machine-gun fire or mortars (mortars caused three quarters of American casualties in Normandy)."
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