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    I was disappointed to hear about the dissension within the NRA, mostly because they enemies of gun rights see it as a crack in the armor. After the First and Second Amendment are gone, the left can go after the others.

    I also wish the NRA would deal with mostly gun stuff and forget most of the other stuff. My dad passed away last year and I was going through some of his old papers yesterday and I found a "NRA Cancer treatment coverage plan" that he was enrolled in. Huh? The organization comes across as a money making enterprise when it gets involved in those things. I would give more money to the NRA beyond my regular dues if they didn't appear to have such lucrative business pursuits attached to their organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollin thunder View Post
    We need someone to clean the NRA swamp. Know anyone who is in this line of work?
    I'd recommend Trump but I figure he's gonna' be busy 'til 2024.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollin thunder View Post
    We need someone to clean the NRA swamp. Know anyone who is in this line of work?
    Heck, I'll volunteer. I'll even take half the pay of LaPierre.

    Of course, you don't know me at all. I'm just a set of fingers on a keyboard. I may even be some artificial intelligence robot keying stuff in as a research project for the NSA...

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    You think we didn't already know that, DeltaBravoKS?
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    I think North is a good choice. Now we will have to wait and see what he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyh View Post
    I think North is a good choice. Now we will have to wait and see what he does.
    I think the point is he just left after a very short time in the position. It sounds like a big blow up between him and Wayne LaPierre...one that doesn't reflect well on either of them.

    I think the NRA should do it's best to not be a personality cult, i.e. defined by strong well known personalities like LaPierre or North. Replace both of them with more anonymous people who have gun rights as their only focus, not fund drives or telemarketing or club member merchandising.

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    U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “Stop the NRA shutdown,” a “critical update” in the latest American Rifleman urges.”New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has launched an all-out crusade to destroy NRA and put us out of business forever.”

    https://www.ammoland.com/2019/04/ret...#axzz5mWARKzHB
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    Wayne has been unanimously re-elected as were all other members
    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...ted-president/

    Some nasty letters:
    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...-steve-hoback/,

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...se-themselves/

    Lastly, Rob Pincus posts a letter from Andy Lander on his FarceBook page

    https://www.facebook.com/1303869778/...&amp%3Bsfns=mo
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    For those of you who don't do the FarceBook thing:


    April 29, 2019

    An Open letter to the NRA Board of Directors.

    First off, I would like to congratulate all the newly elected NRA board members, I'm sure your reason for running for the NRA Board of Directors (BOD) was driven by patriotism, pride, and selfless service to millions of law abiding gun owners. This letter is not for you. I would like to say a sincerer thank you for your willingness to sacrifice your own personal health and sanity to try and guide the NRA through its most turbulent times.


    As for the incumbents who are on the NRA Board this letter is for you. I'm sorry to say that I've lost all faith in you as leaders. I'm also unsure if any of you actually understand what leadership is. Many of you have been on the board for many years and even decades, and continue to remain an elected member of the NRA BOD, in what appears to those of us who have worked at the NRA as nothing more than a shill or yes man/woman.


    I'm not just speaking to those on the Finance Committee, or Nomination Committees, I'm speaking to all incumbents including those working on committees that have nothing to do politically and operate only in the realm of the programs side of the Association. I request that you remove highly overpaid executives particularly NRA's Executive Vice President Mr. Wayne Lapierre, Josh Powell, along with cutting all business ties to Ackerman and McQueen (Ack Mack) and anyone that has ever worked with Ack Mack.


    For some of you, it appears that you are nothing more than a paid vote to ensure the longevity of Mr. Lapierre or elected to ensure that Ack Mack can leech off the NRA thus receiving compensation from Ack Mack itself. I can only draw one of the two following conclusions, the first one is that you're incompetent in your duties as an NRA Board member, or two you're part of the actual problem.


    I worked at the Association for over 13 years ending my time as the Training Counselor Program Coordinator. My job was to coordinate and conduct the NRA Training Counselor Workshops, or the folks who trained NRA Certified instructors. When I started in the training department in 2005 there where 42,000 NRA instructors, when I left the NRA there were over 120,000 instructors. My entire time at the NRA I worked 2-4 job at any given time to pay the bills. There are quite a few employees that still do this at the NRA to make ends meet.


    That being said, I can think of no other non-profit organization that compensates their Executive Vice President the kind of salary and benefits that Mr. Lapierre gets relative to how much employees receive. I also cannot understand how a person like Mr. Lapierre treats the people that work for him like his own personal indentured servants, unless you know the secret handshake, then you're compensated very handsomely as long as you follow along blindly providing no resistance to the people running the organization.


    Those BOD's that OBEY, are rewarded with NRATV contracts provided by Ackerman and McQueen, or are paid handsomely for speaking arrangements. The things that are taking place within the organization, I feel are things that corrupt Congressmen would be doing not the leaders of oldest civil rights organization in the country.


    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it is to my understanding that the BOD knew a year in advance of how NRA Employees retirements were going to be frozen and run the risk of not existing at all. Yet before employees received the letter notifying them of the possibility of having little to no retirement. Mr. Lapierre and a few other executives cashed out their retirements so they wouldn't loose any money.


    I'm not an attorney but this appears very fishy and has the appearance of what in the business world is referred to as insider trading. This is not just a moral violation but one would wonder if it would follow into the realm of possible criminal behavior?


    When I started at NRA, I was still eligible to be in the NRA retirement program, I was hired in 2004 as a membership specialist at starting salary of $28,000 a year working in one the richest counties in America. The retirement was stopped, (IIRC by the BOD) in 2007 for all new employees. The letter shows exponential drops in percentages as well as 13.3 million dollar funding short fall for 2018, a 4.5 million dollar funding short fall for 2017, and $0.00 shortfall for 2016 for non NRA executives retirement funds. This letter was dated April 15, 2019 and was from Ms. Shawn Soto from NRA Human Resources.


    It is interesting to note that all the short falls started around the time in which Josh Powell took over as the Executive Director of NRA General Operations. The individual or individuals that came up with the idea to put Josh Powell, a man who has had shady dealings, lawsuits, and what appears to have led multiple failed businesses, in charge of the most important organization pertaining to individual rights in this country is either pure BOD's incompetence or are possibly somehow involved in these dealings themselves.


    If you're a board member who helped to put Mr. Powell in charge, you're part of the problem. If you're a board member who knew about this and did nothing to stop it you're part of the problem. If you're a board member and knew nothing about Mr. Powell's shady dealings until the articles started to come out you're part of the problem. If you're a board member and you're being paid by Ackerman and McQueen then you're part of the problem. If you're not actively seeking the removal of Mr. Lapierre you are the problem.


    I have heard numerous excuses for Mr. Lapierre from board members, including speeches at the recent NRA members meeting on how Mr. Lapierre has taken the Association through the tough times and should trust him since he has been at the helm for the last 40 years. If I speed through a neighborhood for 10 years only to get pulled over with the excuse of "I've been doing this all along therefore you should let me continue to do so Officer" my excuse is a poor one at best.


    Mr. Lapierre and his colleagues have demonstrated what appears to be a great deal of impropriety as it pertains to running what is supposed to be the brightest beacon of freedom we have left in this country. The leaders of NRA should not be lining their own pockets, creating never-ending retirements for themselves, and conducting shady under the table dealings with ad agencies that their family members work at or have financial dealings.


    A perfect example of this is allowing Mr. Josh Powell to pay his father what is suggested of being in the 10's of thousands of dollars to photograph the 2017 NRA World Shooting Championship for one single day. This is highly unusual and I don't understand why he would have needed to hire any outside photographer, especially since NRA publications had already sent their own photographers to that event.


    Despite the fact that current employees continue to be underpaid, fired, used as scape goats such as in the recent termination of Mark Richardson (a loyal employee of 10 plus years and former army veteran) in some cases are ordered to travel, only to find their NRA credit card has been canceled and have to use their own credit cards to finance their business expenditures is direct result of Mr. Lapierre's lack of leadership. This means they must put their personal bills on hold because of NRA's financial shortcomings. I had this happen to me personally a few times during my time at NRA. In the mean time NRA executives continue to accumulate astronomical compensations not seen in any other non profit 501(c3).


    Then there is the case of the Director of NRA Competitive Shooting Division Cole McCulough who I believe is currently involved in litigation to shut down a neighboring shooting range to his family owned personal for profit shooting range. The name of the range is Shadow Hawk located in West Virginia. Shadow Hawk is privately owned and operated shooting range which is highly respected and loved by the local competitive shooters in the area.


    Another riddle I have yet to answer is, how does the NRA Competitions Director get paid a handsome salary, and draw a large profit estimated in the in the 100's of thousands of dollars from the NRA's World Shooting Championship? The Director of Competitions is the same individual that decides where the World Shooting Championship is held every year.


    Let's not forget how Cole forgot to report the winnings from the World Shooting championship in 2016/17, only to have NRA Human resources take 2016 taxes out of 2017 pay checks two days after Christmas.


    I was on vacation at the time and received a pay check of less around $300 dollars. Another employee didn't even receive a paycheck. I also believe what the NRA did was actually a violation of IRS tax code. Then there is the issue of possible cronyism going on in the Competitive Shooting Division, yet I digress. This made me ask the question to myself, why is a current NRA Staff member trying to actively shut down a shooting range?


    I always thought the NRA stood as a barrier fighting the good fight. I remember a long conversation with my late friend Pat Rogers (editor from SWAT magazine) who supported the NRA, but said, "I don't always agree with what the NRA, then again I didn't always agree with what my mother said, but she was right most of the time".


    I felt the same way until the motive of the NRA shifted from fighting for freedom, to fighting for money. I personally sat in on meetings in which the discussion was to put USCCA out of business because they were taking what should be ours. I'll be honest I was a little to shocked to hear the NRA was in the business of trying to put pro gun companies out of business?


    I could go on and on, but to be honest I have better things to do. Service as an employee to the NRA is behind me now. I personally have moved on to other things, yet still maintain deep friendships with people at NRA HQ. I hear their pain, I can see their suffering, and at what expense? So Wayne Lapierre, Josh Powell, and friends can make another million?


    The only people that can stop this is you! The NRA's survival is at stake, the soul of the organization, the NRA employees that sacrifices a good paying job, gets treated like dirt by folks at Ack Mack, and are forced to loose the most important thing to anyone, time away from their families, will one day come into work and find out they are working for free.


    The history of the NRA is being written as we speak, I wonder will that history be a relatively short one, causing a collapse in the ability to protect the Constitution particularly the second Amendment. Thus writing your name in the history books as the last BOD's of the National Rifle Association? Or will you do the right thing and ensure the NRA remains strong for decades to come. I pray that in the future my follow up letter to this will be thanking you for doing the right thing, rather than writing to all you, see I told you so.


    Andrew Lander
    NRA Life Member
    NRA Senior Training Counselor
    NRA Staff alumni 2004-2018


    Please forgive all the misspellings and typos.
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    The NRA Annual Meetings

    I hope you were following my tweets from the NRA annual meetings in Indianapolis. The news was flying, and everyone was talking about the articles in the New Yorker and Wall Street Journal about the turmoil at the top levels of the organization. It’s been only a couple of days since the members were locked out of the board of directors meeting on Monday. After nine hours behind closed doors, and leaks from within that room to selected media, the official word is that Wayne LaPierre was re-elected by unanimous vote (unlikely). Col. Oliver North left the annual meetings while they were in progress, leading some to say he had resigned as president. He hadn’t. In the closed session, he was not nominated to be president (unusual), and vice president Richard Childress was not nominated to continue in that role.

    IndyMeanwhile, the NRA has sued its PR agency, Ackerman McQueen, the New York Attorney General office has ordered the NRA to preserve documents (likely in preparation for a full investigation), and members want to know what’s going on, why so many staff members are being paid hundreds of thousands and even more than a million dollars per year, and trust in the organization appears to be at an all-time low.

    What’s it all mean? I’ll be darned if I know. Board members aren’t talking. All we get is the official version of events. I think the early viewpoint that Oliver North was the bad guy is this may have been wrong.

    Here’s what I do believe. We need a strong NRA. We need to immediately get rid of every PR program costing millions and producing only income for the agency. We need board members who will talk about what’s going on behind closed doors. I also believe that a whirlwind is heading toward the largest gun-rights group and that this storm is of its own making.

    I also hope that the ILA has managed to remain separate from this mess.

    Unfortunately, I also know that no other gun rights group can do what the NRA does (or should be doing).

    As a 40-plus year life member (now benefactor level) of this great group the events unfolding now, along with the lack of transparency, leave me with the hollowness of disappointment and an uncertainty about the likelihood of avoiding disaster.

    If anyone at the NRA (staff or board members) cares to fill me in, I’m all ears.

    The members want to know. Otherwise, as so many have told me over the last week, they are gone. ~ Tom

    Tom Gresham
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